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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
Obama's very politically adept. That could sound like a slam, but it's not intended as such. I just mean he's very good at his job.
However I can't see it swaying any neocons. The right wingers I know are strident about their faith-based lives & views. I interpret that - based on my observations - as meaning not-reality-based. These people have proved remarkably resistent to reasoned debate or logical discussion. They just keep repeating the same thing, utterly ignoring the point you just made tearing that viewpoint to shreds. What I'm saying is, I've given up talking with these people about anything beyond the weather - and with them often bringing "the myth of global warming" into it, even THAT's not a non-confrontational conversation.
These people still refer to the democratic candidate as Hussein Obama. They continue to spread all the internet lies & partisan propaganda that has long ago been debunked. As long as these people continue to make "faith-based" decisions, they will remain immune to reason & persuasion. I think while it may be necessary for him to address the evangelicals as a force to be reckoned with in American politics, as far as changing anyone's views, Obama's wasting his time.
All the prefacing done by the Pastor Rick about how the questions would be identical and McCain would not be listening in are questionable given that there were a few that were different AND very leading sounding. This could make your assumption that McCain was prepared for a debate and Obama was not seem a bit skewed.
The first quuestion is a good example, by asking Obama "Who are the three wisest people you know in your life and who are you going to rely on heavily in your administration?" McCain was asked only "Who would you rely on heavily in your administration?"
This allowed McCain to go directly to Petraeus and the war which was a theme for him throughout the questioning.
The pastor lead into Obama's question on abortion by stating "Lets deal with abortion. Then at length '..this is a very complex issue' which most would find a clue to expound upon the subject which Obama did and he followed with "Have you ever voted to limit or reduce abortions?" which he never asked McCain.
But, he did ask the quick abortion question and included the statement on how "people who beleive life begins at conception
believe that abortion is a holocaust" but no mention of the "complex issues". McCain was quick to say "At the moment of conception" and followed with a few short sentences on his long record. Pastor Rick just says "Ok, we don't have to go longer on that one. Ok, define marriage"
Most worrisome is how in question 8 about the union between a man and a woman McCain asked "Are we going to get back to the importance of Supreme Court justices or should I just move on?" To which Pastor Rick imparts "We will get to that" without seeming to realize the Supreme Court issues have yet to be addressed to McCain, only Obama. Whereby Pastor Rick asks McCain (not Obama) if the "Supreme Court of California was wrong?" in overturning Proposition 8, etc. Couriouser and couriouser.
I can't add more yet but that last one was very curious to me. Cindy and Sen. Graham and another Sen. were in the audience. Were they in the audience from the beginning and were they on live feed to McCain on the interview? I have yet to see McCain that quick on his feet. His answers were too perfect rebuttals for cynicism not to rear its head.
I think she's your editor... :-D
http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/?last_story=/opinion/walsh/election_2008/2008/08/17/saddleback/
There's a significant and not baseless sentiment (on the left and tiny libertarian pockets) that is precisely what you poo-poohed. I personally don't mind as much. For a lot of people, church doubles as a sort of community hall. But there are people like that out there, and not just ones that happen to be named Ted Rall :)
It occurred to me that the trend on the Repub side of the campaign has been desperate. I am no conspiracy theorist, but do you think for one minute with the amount of big corporate money at stake the Rove Machiavellis would let him not have an advantage here? I mean how hard would it have been for McCain to have a small earpiece feeding him the audio in the quiet room . The Republicans have proved time and time again they will do anything, anything to hold onto power (I need not provide examples to this group) Until someone can prove different, that he was supervised in that room, I will assume the worst.
I hope that Guantanamo has guards as compassionate as the one McCain encountered in Vietnam. I fear there were not any as Christian.
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Sunday, August 17, 2008
Seperation of Church & State??
For all Deeply knows Pastor Rick Warren may be a decent fellow. He may bright as a tin plate in the sun. But what are we doing having a forum at a church with the unlikely name Saddle Back where our presidential candidates grovel, proselytize, and reason before Jesus and a fat oaf with a best selling self help book, and a fondness for Hawaiian shirts? Do we really need evidence that either of our future possible presidents are besotted with holy water and lunatics for Christ. It is not comforting.
We just spent eight years with one idiot who talks to God and look where that got us. Apparently God loves Exon and War. Have these men looked at the vast universe and the itty bitty earth? At best the Big Planner is busy somewhere else (or as Woody Allen says an underachiever) assuming he even exists in the anthropomorphic form our future Presidents seem to think he does.
I know, let's be cynics... If you want to be president you must suck up to Jesus. And certainly in McCain's case he probably has been talking to Jesus for some time now.. he seems crazy enough. But Obama. I don't believe it! And do we really want a President full of Hope who will do anything including exposing his faith, like his dirty underwear, to the world. I don't think so. Religion should be private like that crazy aunt no one talks about, who howls upstairs, locked in the attic.
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