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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
No, I can pretty much assure you that the investigation including Monica Conyers is not a minor state matter. It is positively a federal investigation, now before a federal grand jury.
Here's the best part; it comes complete with federal wiretaps of the father of Detroit's mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick. The federal wiretaps of Bernard Kilpatrick included recordings of Monica Conyers. (Who knows, maybe ol' John Conyers, too?) Meanwhile, the mayor hisself is currently facing a preliminary hearing on a state charge of perjury.
Looks like they got those federal wiretaps the old fashioned way, with subpoenas.
Nothin' like gettin' jiggy with the Conyerses and some federal wiretaps.
Elephanthiasis,
Are you from Detroit? Indeed, this is fantastic story, the sort of old-time deep-dyed corruption we thought was gone forever. Salon should write about it.
But, it has nothing to do with this article. Mrs. Conyers is interesting, but what is the connection?
1) This can't happen with this congress, it would have to be done by the next congress.
2) Bush will give a blanket pardon - including for himself.
3) The democratic leaders are in on all of this, and have been for decades, there's no way they would allow this investigation to go through - remember these notes are from "aides" to the leaders - not from the leaders - it's just an exercise to give the "aides" something to do.
4) The FISA bill would never have passed if this type of investigation could ever happen. A new president Obama will have nothing to do with pursuing past wrong doings - he'll follow the advice of his pundit advisors and move forward rather than go after felonies committed by previous members of the government elite. - See Glenn Greenwald's articles this week and statements from Cass Susstein this past weekend.
You do realize that PROMIS is like 30 YEAR OLD software? With at least 20 years of Conspiracy Theory history now?
Oooh, but it is super dooper groovy megapowerful sinister software! Kinda like Google but scarier! If you dig around the conspiracy theorist sites enough (one of my hobbies), you will eventually tumble to the idea that it was actually bought by bin Laden and used to like totally penetrate US intelligence! Or is that just disinformation put out to distract us from the fact that this totally groovy cool powerful piece of 30 YEAR OLD software was stolen and subverted and lined selected individuals' pockets and is like the ultimate fascist tool of all time?
I would put Inslaw related parties definitely in the category of "reliable & disinterested" witnesses, oh yeah, after yea these 20 years of conspiracy babble.
And how cool a name is "Main Core"? I mean Dr. Evil could not have come up with a cooler name. Super secret White House rooms and people turning white as a sheet at the mere mention of it? We are way past the X Files and definitely into the Y and Z Files, if not deep into the double naught files.
Look, I'm no big fan of the Bushies, and fully believe that they would indeed subvert the Constitution and the state in every way they could. But a necessary and peculiar foundation for conspiracy theorizing is an unshakable belief in the near super-human competence, subtlety, and perfection of the conspirators. Nothing in recent history would lead one to conclude that any of those things are to be found in the Bush administration, nor in the FBI, CIA, NSA, or the rest of the alphabet soup; quite the contrary in fact.
I for one have no doubt whatsoever that the NSA and friends have indeed been spying on us all and making up lists. Those lists so far, the No Fly one cited in the article for example, have demonstrated no competence, no effectiveness, no intelligence, and no point beyond bureaucratic inertia.
If you want to go after the Bushies, there are plenty of real actual named people with real, provable blood on their hands; you don't need to get all Mulder/Scully to do it.
Now where is the late lamented World Weekly News when you need it?
how to prevent this "emergency" from happening. We know it's bound to be the next October surprise. I suspect that POTUS and the Veep would like to avoid cleaning out their desks in January. If McCain wins he'll play along but if Obama wins all bets are off. And what do they need for an excuse? A few good hurricanes, maybe another politically empowering terrorist attack like 911? What if the stock market crashes? You know disasters happen all the time, so how do we prevent the president from taking advantage of that and declaring marshall law and extending his presidency for as long as... the war in Iraq? Can you picture all of us left wing salon posters being gathered up like so many WWII Japanese Americans. We could be re educated like the South Vietnamese, or forced to deny global warming like the early christians were forced to deny Christ. Just because it sounds rediculous doesn't mean it can't happen. I don't want to believe it can, but history teaches differently over and over again.
"And he (Bush) only has to worry about that (his illegal
shenanigans being investigated) if Obama is elected"
Dear one, with all due respect, you are naive. Obama
showed, with his FISA vote, that he would never do any
such investigating.
Obama wants all power to himself. At that includes
spying on the American people at will.
This stuff was put on the air by Fox News almost immediately after 9/11 and then quickly yanked back down for "some unexplained reason." But not before being captured by independents:
http://100777.com/node/180
The only difference is that Israel is not mentioned in Tim's report. Neither are the telecoms "Amdocs" nor "Comverse-Infosys" (now "Virent"). Comverse-Infosys was facilitating -- in Israel (safely offshored from the long arms of Congress) -- a joint task force of Mossad and CIA SIGINT experts who warned the Bush Administration about the 9/11 terror operation that was coming.
Despite the importance of the American people becoming informed about the real meaning of FISA protections from retroaction for the 25-some-odd telecoms involved and listed in a classified document attached to the bill informally, what I would like to know is why, Tim, you didn't mention Israel and it's principals in this supposed "opening night at the NSA Ballet"? Where have you been or is this something that you and Salon have concocted?
Surely you are not so mainstream now that you think this is breaking news? Let's see: it's not Friday so BushCo is not trying to sneak this into the mainstream over a quiet weekend where it belonged all along. Wrong reporter for that kind of shenanigans. What's the REAL story here? Are Bush and Netanyahu fighting again? Is Bebe balking at taking the fall like when he pumped a dull one into the old man (41) over Iran-Contra after being jilted for the Saudis?
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
219 Democrats and one Republican join in favor of the legislation, which passed by a narrow margin
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