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Monday, June 30, 2008 12:00 AM

Anti-science conservatives must be stopped

Americans must not allow global warming deniers to block the policies needed to avert catastrophic climate change. Our future is at stake.

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Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:47 PM

Anti-science conservatives have always shown their ignorant colors...

Galileo and Copernicus dealt with similarly ignorant minds centuries ago. The advances that the world has made has never come at the hands of those who hold anti-scientific views.

Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:52 PM

Nearly all climate scientists today believe that much of Earth's current warming has been caused by increases in the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, mostly from the burning of fossil fuels.

PUCKSPELL: "I can fine NO EVIDENCE that CO2 from human activity is causing global warming as well as thousands of scientist."

That you can't find evidence that CO2 from human activity isn't causing "thousands of scientist" isn't surprising, PUCKSPELL, since CO2 from human activity doesn't cause scientists.

That you can't find evidence that CO2 from human activity is causing global warming - well, I'm going to go out on a limb here (ok, not really), PUCKSPELL, and guess that you are not a climate scientist. As for what actual climate scientists have to say about CO2 from human activity is causing global warming:

"Nearly all climate scientists today believe that much of Earth's current warming has been caused by increases in the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, mostly from the burning of fossil fuels."
-- Ralph J. Cicerone, President of the National Academy of Sciences and a leading climate scientist, U.S. Senate testimony, July 21, 2005

Oh and by the way: There are not "thousands of scientists" who are experts in climate science who can't find evidence that CO2 from human activity - if you think otherwise then you have been taken in by misleading global warming denier propaganda, PUCKSPELL.

Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:28 PM

Warming... Cooling... CHANGE is the constant.

What catastrophic climate change? You've been paying too much attention to the MEDIA and not to scientists and all of their "we think" and "might" and "maybe." We can't predict the weather a week from now and you think humans are going to die and the world is going to blow up because the CO2 has risen? I'd have to assume you've spent all of a half-second actually thinking about all of this.

Twelve thousand years ago, the very spot on which I am sitting right now was under a mile of solid ice. Tampa, Florida was sixty miles from salt water. Japan would have been called the Kamchatka Peninsula on maps if there had been any then. It may have been joined to the mainland at the south, too.

Yes, the Earth is always changing and now, for some egotistical reason, we think it should remain as it is now. We can't believe it's actually going to change! We MUST be the reason, right?

Actually, if you think about it, this isn't mere lunacy. For the last few decades we've been raised to not think about issues that should concern us. We turn on the television or read a blog and immediately assume the roll of "Catcher of Wisdom" coming from others who have no idea what they're talking about OR they're making a few bucks.

If every human on Earth was struck down stone-cold dead at this very moment, the Earth's climate would be different in a thousand years. It has been happening continuously for about five billion years. It's not going to stop because humans release less carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

There is nothing wrong with being green. I just wish a few more people would actually THINK about issues before they make themselves look like they don't think about anything at all.

Thanks for your time.

Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:45 PM

It's simply a matter of time...

If these buffoons have the amount of power that this article suggests, then what will be, will be and the jackasses that voted these idiots in office will suffer the same fate as the rest of us.

...and these jackasses will no doubt blame feminism, homosexuality and civil rights as the cause of our destruction.

Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:45 PM

Global Warming Is Not Primarily Driven By Water Vapor Or The Sun

gibbwake: "Over 70% of the greenhouse gas is GASP water vapor - we better ban clouds!!"

Misleading. Water vapor doesn't cause global warming, but does influence global warming after it is initiated. Any artificial alteration in water vapour is too short lived to change the climate; too much and it will quickly rain out, not enough and evaporation from oceans will provide the difference. Once the atmosphere is warmed by other means, however, water vapor will rise and stay at that new concentration, thus providing a global warming feedback.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/04/water-vapour-feedback-or-forcing/

gibbwake: "Man made climate change is a farce, its the sun heating up"

False. As RealClimate.org explains:

The sunspot record and neutron monitor data (which can be compared with radionuclide records) show that solar activity has not increased since the 1950s and is therefore unlikely to be able to explain the recent warming.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/08/did-the-sun-hit-record-highs-over-the-last-few-decades/

More info here:

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11650

Monday, June 30, 2008 12:00 AM

Yes - Listen to Climate Scientists

traumatic: "You've been paying too much attention to the MEDIA and not to scientists and all of their "we think" and "might" and "maybe.""

Per Ralph J. Cicerone, President of the National Academy of Sciences and a leading climate scientist:

"Nearly all climate scientists today believe that much of Earth's current warming has been caused by increases in the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, mostly from the burning of fossil fuels."
-- Ralph J. Cicerone, President of the National Academy of Sciences, U.S. Senate testimony, July 21, 2005

traumatic: "We can't predict the weather a week from now"

Predicting climate is far easier than predicting weather.

traumatic: "We can't believe it's actually going to change!"

Straw man - no climate scientist says anything of the kind.

traumatic: "We MUST be the reason, right?"

Never before in recorded history has the rate of climate change been as fast as it has been in recent decades, and the increase in the rate of climate change is both predicted and explained by fossil fuel burning.

traumatic: "I just wish a few more people would actually THINK about issues before they make themselves look like they don't think about anything at all"

I love irony.

Monday, June 30, 2008 12:29 AM

@fightthetheocracy!

This may sound strange but there's absolutely no proof that God doesn't exist. Some ask for concrete proof he does and some, WHO THINK about it, ask for any sort of proof at all that he doesn't. *grin*

And yes, I'm a true agnostic. I may not actually believe in religion, etc. but I also know no one has any evidence it isn't out there.

The progressive people spend all their time complaining about the conservatives who believe in God and who do not think logically. They do this while thinking the climate should remain as it is and that modern conservatives are the cause of the change even though, as I said earlier, the change is constant and has been for the entire history of the planet.

What happened to Kyoto, anyway? What, exactly, did that do? Did it make any difference at all? Well, no, it didn't. Of course it didn't.

You read about the IPCC being a "scientific body." I didn't know economists were scientists. You know it's all about money, right? Spend some time thinking about it and you'll see why Rajendra K. Pachauri is the head of the IPCC. Even his Wikipedia page can't offer links to his being a scientist even though it says he is. His Doctorate is in economics.

The sooner we realize that cutting down on CO2 emissions, while definitely a good idea, isn't going to stop climate change (I mean, that's ludicrous if you've actually thought about it.) the sooner we can all get back to the business of not living in fear of something we don't know anything about.

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