My. My, stet. You appear to be losing your cool when you post this type of gibberish: “You're a crank. A stone, died in the wool scientific crank. Ten years ago you'd be talking about your sugar cure for cancer. Get a life: “

Stick with factual discussion of the science, stet, not with emotional outbursts and stupid statements.

Makes you look silly and childish.

BTW are you 15 years old?

Get back to the discussion and grow up.

Max

manacker: "Solar forcing has played a role in 20th century warming, as many cited studies show."

I asked you this before, manracker, let's try again:

Are you really so obtuse as to believe that anyone here has suggested otherwise?

Nice straw man though.

"The 20th century was a period of unusually high solar activity (highest in 8,000 years according to some studies)."

Right. And per the first study you cited in your long list of them (Solanki 2004):

We stress that solar variability is unlikely to be the prime cause of the strong warming during the last three decades... even under the extreme assumption that the Sun was responsible for all the global warming prior to 1970, at the most 30% of the strong warming since then can be of solar origin.

Got that yet, manacker?

Brute - do you have a point with your carpet-bombing of this thread now, other than to show that you are an expert at cut-and-paste?

South America Has Coldest Winter in a 90 Years

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/11/brrrr-south-america-has-coldest-winter.html

It's a chilly Chile this year.

Record ice cap growth in Antarctica and record low temperatures in Argentina won't stop global warming alarmists from manufacturing hysteria.

“What a hell is happening this year with a seven-month winter”, asked a famous TV journalist about the unusual climatic winter of 2007 that began with fury in May and still persist in November- Icecap.us.

The Telegraph reported on the record freezing temperatures in South America this year, via Drudge:

Residents in Argentina and Brazil are wondering if this winter will ever end. Buenos Aires recorded this Thursday (November 15th) the lowest November temperature in 90 years. Temperature in the Downtown weather station reached 2.5C. Since records began more than a century ago, only two days had colder lows in November. It was in 1914 (1.6) and 1917 (2.4). And ninety years ago the urban heat island effect was much less pronounced than nowadays. In Brazil's southernmost province Rio Grande do Sul in Brazil temperatures fell to 2.3C. In Sao Joaquim Monday's (Nov., 12) the temperature was -1.2 C with frost.

Icecap.us has more on the latest cooling news including this:

The much colder than usual weather was not confined to Argentina. This Thursday had near-freezing temperatures and frost in Uruguay. Weather stations recorded 1.5ºC in Trinidad; 1.8ºC in Durazno; 2.4ºC in Tacuarembó; 3ºC in Artigas; 3.2ºC in Melo and Florida; 3.8ºC in Treinta y Tres; 4.1ºC in Paso de los Toros; 4.6ºC in Rivera and 4.8ºC em San José.

Further south, the problem is the excessive ice. The Brazilian Base Comandante Ferraz (file image above) in Antarctica is rationing water. Never in the last twenty years the weather was so cold and snowy this time of the year in the Brazilian post in the South Pole. The nearby lakes that provide water to the base are frozen since September. The heliport that allows the arrival of food and bottled water by air is under three meters of snow. Water for human consumption is limited to the fifty Brazilian researchers in the region and the situations turns more dangerous each day. So, "por qué no te callas Al Gore ?"

Or, in English, "Why don't you shut up, Al Gore?"

Ivan adds this from frigid Argentina:

"Ohh yes!!! This was one of the coldest years in the history of our country. Imagine that during the winter it snowed in Buenos Aires. That is something totally unlikely because of the weather here, and there were temperatures of 2° centigrades in the last days and we are in spring."

Record Snow Blankets Spokane, Washington In June!

It is the latest Spokane has seen snow since records started being kept in 1881.

Washington state sees record cold and snow in June.

KHQ.com reported:

The Spokane area saw record low temperatures and even a little bit of snow Tuesday morning, and all just 11 days before the official start of summer.

Much of the Inland Northwest remained under a snow warning from the National Weather Service Tuesday morning. KHQ received calls from people in Reardan, Moscow, Pullman, Loon Lake, Airway Heights, Deary, Spokane's South Hill, and Deer Park who all say they saw snow Tuesday morning.

...Forecasters expected 5 to 10 inches of wet snow above the 3,500-foot level Tuesday morning in the Cascades with lesser amounts down to 2,500 feet. A Transportation Department spokesman said it's been about 30 years since a snowplow has had to clear Stevens Pass in June.

Palousitics has more photos of the record snow.

Hat Tip Joshua

Also this week, John Coleman, the founder of the Weather Channel, again lashed out at global warming religionists saying:

There is no significant man made global warming. There has not been any in the past, there is none now and there is no reason to fear any in the future.

Coleman also blamed Al Gore for high energy prices.

Hi publicola,

This seems to be getting a bit repetitive, with your latest blurb: “Sun was responsible for all the global warming prior to 1970, at the most 30% of the strong warming since then can be of solar origin.

Got that yet, manacker?”

Yep. Got it.

Did you get this quote from another study:

“From the figures` we concluded that, if variability of the solar total irradiance is the main channel of the solar influence on climate” [i.e. ignoring the Svensmark hypothesis of cosmic ray flux impact on cloud formation as a solar influence on climate] “then less than 30% (50% in the Willson composite) of the dramatic temperature rise since 1970 can be attributed to the sun.”

So we are talking 30% to 50%, depending on whose study we are citing.

This does not include any of the proposed mechanisms outside TSI, i.e. Svensmark’s cosmic ray / cloud hypothesis being tested at CERN or other suggested mechanisms, such as UV radiation and ozone.

Get it through your head, publicola, that I am NOT saying the sun is the ONLY driver of climate.

I am just saying that studies suggest it is a much more significant driver of climate that IPCC (with its admitted “low level of scientific understanding”) gives it with a suggested RF of only 0.12 W/m^2 (IPCC SPM 2007).

Got that yet, publicola?