Donut44: "Say it over and over, still doesn't make it true... say everyone who denies your myth is an idiot, but guess what, it's still a myth."

I love irony.

The United States National Academy of Sciences (along with several other national science academies),per global warming:

There is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities. This warming has already led to changes in the Earth's climate... Increasing greenhouse gases are causing temperatures to rise... The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify nations taking prompt action.

http://nationalacademies.org/onpi/06072005.pdf

A few years ago, I took the info from the DOT website on vehicles in the private sector (not over the road trucks, etc.) fleet, the estimated mileage for the various types of vehicles (low mpg cars, higher mpg cars, low mpg SUVs & trucks and high mpg SUVs & trucks) did a little calculating and came up an estimate (I think on the low side as I estimated mpg to be higher than they are) that we use about about 2 billion barrels per year more than we would if we averaged 25 mpg across the fleet - or about 30% of our petroleum use. Had the automakers stopped selling the big lie of greater safety with high mpg behemoths and designed better mileage vehicles, we could have saved 2B bbl per year or more and designed engines and vehicles someone might want to buy or maybe even import!

Had we worked on achieving greater efficiencies in energy use (such as higher efficiency motors, compressors and other energy conversion equipment) beginning in the mid-1990's (when Newt and his gang railed against that) as opposed to sending overseas the production of most of what we use for that purpose, maybe we could have even gained foothold or even been a major manufacturer or supplier in greater efficiency motors, engines and other power conversion equipment and processes. Gee, something which could have produced JOBS in the US!!!! In case folks haven't noticed, much of the world actually wants higher efficiency equipment (even China which many seem to believe only wants to be like the US in energy use)! Of course, it must have been better for the economy to have GE and other former manufacturers send most of their production to China.

It is really a shame that we spent over 10 years watching while our economy has been destroyed so that we can avoid energy efficiency. A lot of workers lost their jobs in high energy use industries (such as the chemical industry where labor costs are far less than energy costs) because little or no research was done to develop alternatives while natural gas and other energy costs skyrocketed). And lest you think that this is only the imagination of some "libural", go to the Huntsman website and see what the CEO of that chemical company was saying about the ridiculous rise in natural gas prices in the early 2000's. And now look at the huge increase in prices of many companies who rely on petroleum and petrochemicals as raw materials.

Whether you believe global climate change is real or not, can't you see that the focus on producing and selling gas guzzlers is far more to blame for the price of oil than anything which those advocating carbon taxes or CO2 trading could have ever done? Or do you think that wall street analysts are all brainwashed by Al Gore?

Our future is at stake because of you idiots that think human life is a virus. Taxing our breathing with your carbon tax is not going to do anything to stop the sun from warming the solar system. If you didnt know, we exhale the toxic devil gas Co2 that plants breathe to create food for us to eat and air to breathe. Co2 is essential for life on this planet - yet the man made c02 is less than .04% of greenhouse gasses. Over 70% of the greenhouse gas is GASP water vapor - we better ban clouds!!

Whats with all of the fear mongering? Its every politicians dream to tax your breathing, and thats exactly what the political solution to this non problem is - carbon tax. You EXHALE Co2. Stop falling for this scam.

If you consider yourselfs true environmentalists, stop the fluoride in the water, stop the genetic engineering of food, stop the cross species chimeras, but dont tax me for fucking breathing.

Here is a good documentary which covers this extensivley. Its a non biased look at global warming, and interviews several of the IPCC scientists proving that man is not causing global warming. It then looks at the means behind global warming, and what it is being exploited to bring about: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4860344067427439443

Man made climate change is a farce, its the sun heating up, not your exhaling. Carbon tax is a globalist scheme to tax you for breathing and further deindustrialize the western world and move everything left to other countries whos population isnt falling for the obvious scam.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/pluto_warming_021009.html - Space.com: Global Warming on Pluto Puzzles Scientists In what is largely a reversal of an August announcement, astronomers today said Pluto is undergoing global warming in its thin atmosphere even as it moves farther from the Sun on its long, odd-shaped orbit.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060504_red_jr.html - Space.com: New Storm on Jupiter Hints at Climate Change The latest images could provide evidence that Jupiter is in the midst of a global change that can modify temperatures by as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit on different parts of the globe.

http://www.mos.org/cst-archive/article/80/9.html - Current Science & Technology Center: Global Warming on Mars? A study of the ice caps on Mars may show that the red planet is experiencing a warming trend. If both Mars and Earth are experiencing global warming, then perhaps there is a larger phenomenon going on in the Solar System that is causing their global climates to change.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20061109-022035-4126r - United Press International: NASA looks at a monster storm on Saturn NASA says its Cassini spacecraft has found a hurricane-like storm at Saturn's South Pole, nearly 5,000 miles across -- or two-thirds Earth's diameter.

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/19980526052143data_trunc_sys.shtml - Science Agogo: Global Warming Detected on Triton There may not be much industrial pollution on Neptune's largest moon, but things are hotting up nonetheless. "At least since 1989, Triton has been undergoing a period of global warming," confirms astronomer James Elliot, professor of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "Percentage-wise, it's a very large increase."

http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/092897/study.htm - Associated Press: Study says sun getting hotter Solar radiation reaching the Earth is 0.036 percent warmer than it was in 1986, when the current solar cycle was beginning, a researcher reports in a study to be published Friday in the journal Science. The finding is based on an analysis of satellites that measure the temperature of sunlight.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/18/wsun18.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/07/18/ixnewstop.html - London Telegraph: The truth about global warming - it's the Sun that's to blame Global warming has finally been explained: the Earth is getting hotter because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the past 1,000 years, according to new research.