Delosgatos.

Climate and weather……….a distinction without a difference.

I know, I know….. you guys make a distinction….like it matters…..as if they are two different things……please.

A weatherman is a weatherman…not a “Climatologists” or “Meteorologist”. The guys who pickup the trash at the end of the driveway are trash men, not “Sanitation Workers”.

You see, if you put lipstick on a pig you still end up with a pig, (not to disparage pigs or trash men, these labels and nuances are really meaningless).

Geez, get over yourselves.

Affecting/Controlling the weather…..errr…..”climate”:

You and your buddies believe that if human produced CO2 is halted or curtailed you will stop weather or “climate” events from happening, (I've got news for you; these WEATHER events will, have and will continue to happen even if you cross your fingers, close your eyes and wish really hard). You seem to be obsessed with some magic power that mankind has over the atmosphere.

What egotism! To put it bluntly; you ain’t all that.

Remember: Thou art mortal. Thou art mortal.

Brute: "A weatherman is a weatherman…not a “Climatologists”"

Hey, we agree on something: a weatherman is not a climatologist.

Just as climatologist is not a weatherman.

This is because climate and weather are not the same things.

Sulzer,

You wrote:

Let's also take a look at the recent temperature data that you claim implies that global warming is over. First this means that you recognize that global warming is a fact (or was).

For the purposes of this discussion I used the term "global warming" meaning the recent rise in temperature that Alarmists attribute to Anthropomorphic "Climate Change", (a term everyone knows well). You’re correct, I should have been precise.

The planet has been “warming” in fits and starts since the last ice age and most recently since the end of the “Little Ice Age”. Glaciers have (generally) been retreating (with periods of advancement), since that time. The ice caps have expanded and retreated numerous times in Earth’s history.

I don’t believe that is in dispute here. I think the dispute is what has caused the .6 degree rise in temperature over the last +/- 100 years?

You seem to think it comes from the tailpipe of my car. I think that the ENORMOUS NUCLEAR FURACE at the middle of our solar system may be responsible. The funny thing is, solar activity has been weak recently and global temperatures have leveled……. and all the while CO2 levels continued to rise.

CO2 is the odd man out. You’re looking in the wrong place for your ½ degree.

Climate and weather……….a distinction without a difference.

Wow... people who don't know the difference between climate and weather think their opinions on global climate change should be taken seriously?

That's like someone who doesn't know the difference between day trading and long term investing asking to join Warren Buffet's team.

You and your buddies believe that if human produced CO2 is halted or curtailed you will stop weather or “climate” events from happening

Man, you are way off in la-la land now. No one said anything of the sort.

In his infinite wisdom, good ol’ publicola informed us: “This is because climate and weather are not the same things.”

Duh!

We all know the difference, publicola.

There is even a formula. It is known as the “inverse C:W relationship”.

When it is Cooling, it is Weather.

When it is Warming, it is Climate.

Simple, no?

Brute: "I think that the ENORMOUS NUCLEAR FURACE at the middle of our solar system may be responsible."

RealClimate.org:

The sunspot record and neutron monitor data (which can be compared with radionuclide records) show that solar activity has not increased since the 1950s and is therefore unlikely to be able to explain the recent warming.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/08/did-the-sun-hit-record-highs-over-the-last-few-decades/

More info here:

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/climate-change/dn11650

Tobbar,

You wrote:

“the plataeu is a temporary trend before the temperatures continue to increase.”

Another prognostication, (and reversal of earlier prediction). Bring facts. When your models actually predict the weather successfully, then we can talk.

Stat writes:

"Warming greater than 2 degrees C above 19th century levels is projected to be disruptive."

“Projected”, (a guess). The temperature dropped 5 degrees here in two hours…..no dead animals or lifeless plants. We seemed to manage alright.

Stat continues:

"Given the uncertainty in climate projections, there can be surprises that may cause more dramatic disruptions than anticipated from the most probable model projections."

Or not. More guesswork. This quote admits to climate model uncertainty.

Hurry up, let’s rearrange the world economy based on “climate projections that we know are flawed. Sounds like a great plan!

"and is therefore unlikely to be able to explain the recent warming."

Unlikely......sounds like a definite maybe. More precision to base our economic future on. What is it with you guys and “maybe” , “could be” and “sometimes”. I have better odds at the track.

"and invading Iraq is therefore unlikely to be able to prevent more terrorist attacks."

Unlikely......sounds like a definite maybe. More precision to base our economic future on. What is it with you guys and "maybe", "could be" and "sometimes". I have better odds at the track.

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Spelling it out for the sarcasm-impaired:

A: A primary position of global warming deniers is that we don't know with 100% certainty what's going on with respect to global warming, so let's wait until we are 100% sure before we act on it.

B: When addressing substantive threats however that position is absurd: to wait until you are 100% sure of what will happen before you act to address it is to wait until it's too late to do anything about it.

C: This absurdity applies to addressing any future threat, including terrorist attacks and global warming.

manacker wrote:

In his infinite wisdom, good ol’ publicola informed us: “This is because climate and weather are not the same things.”

Duh!

We all know the difference, publicola.

Brute wrote:

Climate and weather……….a distinction without a difference.

The number of you two who is/are confused is greater than zero.