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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
Taliesan,
Why don’t you join the discussion over here:
Continuation of the New Statesman Whitehouse/Lynas blogs.
http://ccgi.newbery1.plus.com/blog/?p=63
You seem like an intelligent guy/gal. We can always use new blood and welcome both sides. This site seems crowded and busy.
Just for the record: Krauthammer is a medical doctor by training . I suspect he's met and spoken with more scientists in his career than the editorial board of Salon. Salon needs to be very careful in what rhetoric it allows in its pages. Conservatives must be stopped sounds a whole lot like 'Jews must be stopped'. The overheated rhetoric aimed at respectable individuals who raise legitimate questions is shading towards fascism.
After all since it is the IPCC that classifies its confidence in most of the key 'forcings' as 'low'. Why should others be pilloried for having the same skepticism?
this article is simply.absurd..
Yeah, how can we doubt a petition that has names like Perry S Mason (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Mason) on it?
Or John Adams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams)?
Intelligent energy policy. The author said 'we haven't had intelligent energy policy for years'. I agree. The last time America had any intelligent energy policy was under the Carter administration.
The Pope, my religion, and Jerry Falwell got rid of Pres. Carter and put St. Reagan into the WH. They both defied Jesus admonition to keep church and state separate. Since that morally relativistic stance by those two religious groups we have ever increasing energy problems which now have reached full bloom under the Bushie Rethugs of the past eight years and to the point of now killing Arabs for their oil.
Gods laws, the Commandment says: Thou shalt not kill, but they do. The Commandment says: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors goods, but they do. So thanks to those two religious entities, Catholic and evangelical fundies, America has now become 'killers for oil'. My tax dollars are USED/ABUSED for some religious political reasons that are in direct contradiction of my beliefs.
Do they care, not one damn bit.
All of this religious political bull crap is nothing more than Republican Party POLITICS that for some stupid reason these two, now blind and dumb(anti-intellectualism), religious entities/ mega churches have decided to become a part of. And all of this ensuing DEATH , TORTURE and DESTRUCTION is what they call Pro-Life and Family Values.
All of this is nothing more than Republican Party political values that money is above all else, and totally trumps human life and values, the Laws of God, and the teachings of Jesus.
Frankly, it all seems totally Satanic to me. They have all given themselves over to Satan and now he owns their souls. What lesser of two evils did Satan promise them in order to gain their souls. My guess is, it is the same thing Hitler, the Nazis and the Fascists promised before WWII; namely, mens souls. From WWII we got 60 million dead including some six million Jews. The damage done to the world and to the Jewish diaspora can never be made right.
And now they are talking about WWIII. Did these religio-political cretins and ideologists learn nothing from the Holocaust. I think they learned NOT one damn thing. So we are damned and doomed to repeat their greed, stupidity and ideology, yet again.
investch wrote:
You don't have a single number or formula relationship, total speculation dressed as science and the grab for authority begins?
Horse manure, twerp! There are thousands of papers - all quantitatively supported- published in dozens of PEER REVIEWED journals, not clapteap "magazines" published by pukes at the American Enterprise Institute, or the George C. Marshall inst.
Among the many recent quantitatively backed papers (with all the formulas you could want) is: ‘Warm Oceans Raise Land Temperatures’, appearing in Eos Transactions, Vol. 87., No. 19, 19 May 2006. But if you can't get hold of that, or wouldn't grok it, then check out the latest Planetary Report which features 5 pages of satellite imagery showing clearly the effects of global warming.
The total melting of the Arctic ice sheet will be the first contributor to major global sea level increase. In addition, the positive feedback effects arising from changing surface albedo (reflectance of solar radiation) will first be manifest from the Arctic.
The basis has already been described by Sagan and others: Melting of ice caps (already occurring) results in diminished albedo (reflection of solar radiation back into space), a darker Earth surface - with more IR absorbed. As more Arctic ice melts, the positive feedback proceeds faster. The overall (mean) ocean temperature continues to rise, melting ever more of the ice sheet leading to even more absorption of solar incoming radiation, higher ambient temperatures and so on.
The IPCC now represents the authoritative consensus position in the scientific community (as opposed to the economic or ideological community) on the reality of man-made global warming. What we mean by a consensus is that the majority of the papers published in the past 10-15 years (which number nearly 1500) have supported the thesis of “climate change” and-or global warming. This also means that a majority of climate scientists support that position.
According to Daniel Schrag, professor of geochemistry and director of the Laboratory for Geochemical Oceanography at Harvard (‘Some Don’t Like it Hot’, Harvard Gazette, 3-22-01) the IPCC is by nature a conservative organization. The breadth that gives its findings weight – 3,000 scientists, reviewers, and government officials were involved in drafting the reports – means that consensus had to be reached across broad points of view, including those from countries whose economies are based on oil production.
The bottom line is the best science is in. No, there will never be an "absolute certain final answer" - but there never is in science anyway. We have the best information at the time. What we need to do now is to exercise the precautionary principle and act on it.
We can't afford any more delays or distractions by the deniers.
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups are courting respectability
Salon headlines in your mailbox
