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Monday, June 30, 2008 12:00 AM

Anti-science conservatives must be stopped

Americans must not allow global warming deniers to block the policies needed to avert catastrophic climate change. Our future is at stake.

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Monday, June 30, 2008 09:09 PM

The irony.....

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/galileo/galileoaccount.html

Is that the side that always thinks itself intellectually superior, in command of the facts, looks more like the establishment that Galileo and others faced. He couldn't prove mathmatically that the Earth did move around the sun by the way. There really was no conclusive proof at the moment.

The essence of science is proving a positive not defending a hope for political reasons. It's clear the MMGW mob is too invested in the desire to control, tax, ration to consider the loss of logic in the absolutism of man made warming.

If large number of the science community claimed a near term asteriod impact based on statistical noise would it catch on as well? The argument could be made for massive investments in technology such as nuclear, ballistics etc. for such a probability. It's sure to happen, would the left support the hope that this research could "save the Earth"? Not likely, it would support all the wrong interest groups. Right now everything from Vegans to every top down planner has a stake in MMGW. It's all been made to fit eco extremism, note the silence for the most part on nuclear build out, it's all pie in the sky "solar" and "wind" for the fantasy vote of the left that cares so much to take something away then consider the math or facts. Asteriods are not self-induced "sin" that could mandate the levels of social control that MMGW religion can command.

"My dear Kepler, what would you say of the learned here, who, replete with the pertinacity of the asp, have steadfastly refused to cast a glance through the telescope? What shall we make of this? Shall we laugh, or shall we cry?"

There isn't a shread of fact to link CO2 to causal GW. Other factors are likely far more important than an abstract as if the Earth was enclosed by glass.

Monday, June 30, 2008 09:19 PM

"If an hypothesis can't be disproven, it isn't science."

The correct science logic is "if it can be affirmed" it isn't hard science. Speculation is fine, what was the Earth like a million years ago? etc.

The confusion over hard and soft science is clear.

If we're going to misallocate trillions we should have some hard science instead of largely invested groups who seek power and control on an unproven theory. As with all ration theory, like "peak oil" millions are going to die and suffer, largely in the poor countries if this fraud isn't refuted. The elite will survive rationing and even feel empowered, large industries will gain at small business expense (there will be large losers as well).

Monday, June 30, 2008 10:49 PM

Ways to Change

Will liberals never learn. Government has no more power to stop the activities that they say are causing global climate change than you do to stop an influenza epidemic. Government can only get in the way of reasonable change. Democratic government will always bending to the will of the voters. If the voters choose not to save themselves and the planet their representative will yield to them rather than loose his power and prestige. The only hope for you liberals is to trust the one thing you cannot trust, the natural pressure of market economics. It is this single force which will move things faster than anything else in our lives. With the advent of $4.00 gas my family has already started changing their ways. Not because a government forced their hand, but because economic pressures have brought a dicipline they cannot afford to ignore. Instead of continuing to drive gas guzzling Range Rovers, we have put our SUV's in the parking garage and have turned to tiny little Fords and Chevrolets that get 35 mph.

Oil burning furnaces are being replaced with log burning stoves. Ceiling fans are being cleaned, floor fans purchased, so that we can turn our thermostats up and keep the A/C off. Old canners are being gotten out of the storage, along with Ball jars as we prepare to return to home canning. All of these things are being done without a single instruction from a President or a Congress. All over America, people are driving less, eating out less, and in general slowing down the economy to a more leisurely pace. All without one word from Washington. No cap in trade. No carbon offsets. Just good old supply and demand at work.

What we need now is for the liberals and their instrument of distruction to get out of the way so the market can attack our lack of affordable energy with sane, profitable answers.

The last great economic miracle was the "information age". Even with all the problems it created freely elected governments and even liberals would consider any form of regulation on the machinery or the internet that carries the message.

Now we have moved into the next great economic paradigm. The energy age. We don't have to plan it, hold it up with excessive regulation. Let it come. If "necessity is the mother of invention" then we are in safe hands if we trust the market. Solar, wind, atomic, coal, oil, natural gas, bio mass, and things we never heard of are going to be part of our future as long as we don't let government have any role in it.

I promise.

Steve Williams

Borden Indiana

Monday, June 30, 2008 11:20 PM

@ STET

"The NAS was set up with extremely elaborate protections to avoid having a political agenda"

You can't possibly believe or expect me to believe this. Why is it that conspiracy theorists like yourself beleive government info when it suits your kooky world view? (...And using hyperbolic qualifiers like "extremely" and "elaborate" does nothing to strengthen your case.)

"On the other hand we have an anonymous clown with a keyboard and an Internet account."

Do I have to point out how silly it is for you to post such a statement on a board?

Listen, if you're against an open, invective free exchange of opinions, ideas and facts, maybe you should no longer be "an anonymous clown with a keyboard and an internet account."

Or, you can always go back to GAWKER with the other C students where you belong. You contribute nothing.

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