Both Obama and McCain favored it. But somehow it got stopped. Meanwhile, the express train of the FISA amendments can't be stopped because the majority Democrats are too scared to stop it, even though they could simply not let it get to either floor.

I have no idea who won the 2006 election, but it certainly wasn't the American people.

Religion. Once you can get people to believe in something without proof, you can get them to do, say or believe almost anything. Thus a very appropriate quote:

"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion."

The USA is second to last (behind Turkey) in public acceptance of the theory of evolution. Thus, why the USA has stopped evolving while other countries leave us behind to drool in a echo chamber of corrupt, greedy lies.

"If we delay serious action to 2025, we would then need to cut global emissions by 75 percent in a quarter-century or less."

Perhaps we will achieve the necessary cuts in emissions, if the neo-cons have their way, not through peaceful technology, but through genocide. Dr. Strangelove's solution may yet be applied.

It is the nature of man to seek short term gain, and self interest. Currently in America we have magnified this nature a thousand times..We look to the instant the immediate moment, not even the next hour. For get about the next day, the next week the next one hundred years. These Republicans know this, sell the fear and superficial... ignore the problem... Such is man.

And while we are worrying about the planet. Just as important to our well being and our food supply is the Plight of the bees. I urge everyone to read and take note of Colony Collapse disorder. Click on DeeplyImbedded to reach the Save the bees site and blog, and learn about the problem. While you are there make a statement if you wish.

May I ask the climate scientists among you two questions:

If you can answer them, I will pledge my allegiance to the global warming movement.

1. What is your control for your experiments?

2. What should the temperature of the Earth be?

Heck, if you guys will support the building of nuclear power plants, I'll support your movement.

Otherwise, I believe that it is nothing more than anti-American, anti-industrial politics.

Finally, is there really anything that anyone can do to reduce CO2 when the Chinese are bringing so many dirty coal plants online?

One other comment: Can someone please make an electric car that doesn't make me want to puke. Priuses look like garbage and every other plan I've seen looks like a freaking Camry, a golf cart, or a pregnant motorcycle. Make me a good, fast electric car that I can afford, and I will buy it. (Yes, I know about the Tesla. Do you have $150K for a car?) I will buy it not to save the planet but to give the finger to the Arabs and Hugo Chavez.

This is so tiresome. This IDIOT realizes that the temps on ALL the other planets is higher too, doesn't he? Does he know that the temp hasn't gone up since 1998, but that it's actually gone DOWN 1 degree? Has he ever heard George Carlins' take on the whole Global Cooling; I mean, Global Warming; I mean, Global Climate Change thing? Man will be long gone before the Earth gives up the ghost. The Planet has gone from ice ball, to hot and humid heaven, how many times? Remember people, this is a "CULT" that has as it's LEADER, Al Gore. You've GOT to be kidding me. So yeah, count me down as a DENIER. And put yourselves down as IDIOTS. You obviously are reaching out for something meaningfull to fill a void in your lives. Might I suggest that you give JESUS a try. Let's see. JESUS? Al Gore? Wow, that IS tough. Like I said; IDIOTS.

Whatever the fate of a bill now, I disagree that people will ignore the effects of global warming. Eventually, they will create political pressure to make changes. Schwarzanegger's Cal-ee-forn-ee-ya is burning. The Midwest is kneedeep in water. The West is parched. New Orleans is still fucked. The North Pole may be ice free this summer. Maybe these are related to global warming, maybe not, but eventually people will want their politicians to do something finally about the weather.

I just have to disagree again with Romm's argument that cap-and-trade moderated rationing is somehow at odds with technological advances. He never addresses this point in his reply. We can have both.

I am not sanguine about his argument that plug-ins will be cheap, or that electricity is "clean." Where does electricity come from? Coal, nuclear, dams--all with intense environmental costs. Oh sure, we can cover our public lands with windmills and solar cell plants, but there are costs there too. His one-solution proposal makes me suspicious of snake oil.

Romm is simply obfuscating to claim that oil prices will raise sufficiently to encourage adequate conservation to avoid global warming. This is religious thinking. Why should the supply of oil and the demand for it (which sets prices) somehow equal the human need to prevent global warming? Nature doesn't care about us, it doesn't create a balanced scale in the economy to ensure our survival. Sure, rising oil prices help, but they will not rise nearly enough to bring about the kind of conservation that Romm himself says we need. The key is to create mandated scarcity, ie rationing, eg cap and trade. And Romm logic does not include the very real possibility of gas price declines that stretch over years--unless gas is rationed or a compensating tax is instituted to ensure higher pump prices.

Romm avoids the truth that we currently HAVE technologies that can drastically reduce oil consumption. We HAVE fuel-efficient cars. We HAVE hybrids. I'm not saying we have enough, I'm just saying that we had these things and people still bought SUVs. At 5 dollar gas the well off will still buy monster hybrid SUVs which still won't give enough mpg to cut emissions. The market alone, as currently structured based on the commodity price of oil, does and will not present the kind of rewards for conservation that will drastically reduce consumption.

Similarly, Romm misunderstands WWII rationing. The mistake the government made then was not allowing ration coupons to be legally sold. Because of that error, black markets sprung up and the government was closed out of the created value of this new economic good. But, if you received a ration coupon for tires, and you didn't own a car, you sold your coupons on the black to a guy who owned two cars and you loved rationing because it was money in your pocket. That pay off for decreased consumption is what is lost if you rule out cap and trade.

Romm should not let conservatives dictate the dialogue on this issue by countering "technology" when the say "rationing."