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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
An example of how the Islamic perspective is (shocker!!) different from the American perspective regarding your beliefs. He considers Obama a muslim.
At some point, this muslim says: "Along came a black citizen of Kenyan African origins, a Muslim, who had studied in an Islamic school in Indonesia."
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1791.htm
nacazo "More publicola disinformation and Lies"
Unlike you, nacazo, I didn't tell a lie. Which makes this statement another lie on your part.
nacazo "My mistake. He did not go to a koranic school. He went to a regular school. If I recall correctly, it was even a catholic school."
Thank your for correcting that gross lie of yours. You still did not recall correctly, however: as a child in Indonesia Obama went to a private Catholic elementary school for 2 years, and then a public elementary school - which is where he received some instruction in Islam - for 2 more years.
And if you want to learn what Obama actually said about that in his book then I suggest that you actually read his book, as opposed to passing along lies that some lying liar claimed was in his book.
nacazo "Now, Indonesia being an Islamic country, the school teaches koranic classes but only to students registered as muslims."
In my last letter I asked you for a reference to substantiate your claim here and you have not provided one - you are merely again repeating your same unsubstantiated claim.
So I'll ask you again: do you have a reference to substantiate this unsubstantiated claim of yours?
nacazo "Obama learned to recite the adhan (shahada plus) in excellent Arabic as the Times reporter heard him. So as a student, he was declared muslim somewhere."
Another lie. Just because Obama learned to recite the Islamic Call To Prayer (the Adhan) that does not mean that he was "declared" a Muslim.
nacazo ""Obama was never a muslim" is incorrect. It should read, at least, "Obama was declared a muslim for a brief period of time while he studied in Indonesia"."
Another lie. nacazo you seem to be under the false impression that to be "declared" a Muslim means that one is, or at some point was, a Muslim.
If the flaw in your assertion here is lost on you nacazo then consider this: If someone at some point had declared that you were a Muslim would that mean that you are, or at some point were, a Muslim? Of course not.
nacazo "What's the opinion of Saudi Arabia's mufti? How about Ali Sistani in Iraq? The great mufti of Egypt? They all would declare Obama a muslim but maybe I'm wrong."
Maybe you don't know what you're talking about here. Actually there's no maybe: you don't know what you are talking about here.
nacazo "Can you get their Islamic opinions which are respected in the muslim world?"
That they would opine that Obama is a Muslim is your unsubstantiated assertion, not mine. If you are able to substantiate your unsubstantiated assertion here with, you know, actual facts, then do so. Otherwise your claim here is nothing more than an unsubstantiated claim from someone who declared the gross lie Obama went to a "koranic school" and other lies.
nacazo: "At some point, this muslim says: "Along came a black citizen of Kenyan African origins, a Muslim, who had studied in an Islamic school in Indonesia." "
At some point, "this Muslim" - Muammar al-Gaddafi - also says that America is a dictatorship no different than Hitler's, amongst many other ridiculous untruths.
And your point here is what, exactly?
Listen. I don't care if Barack Hussein Obama is a muslim.
I prefaced my comments saying that in America you can claim to be whatever you want to claim. If Barack wants to claim he's Irish, it will be accepted at face value. Hey, he probably has Irish ancestry for what I know.
I was discussing perceptions among muslims. And yes, there may be some that perceive him as muslim. Would you even admit to that?
I do have an issue with the way Obama has reacted to those "smears". Either he's ignorant of his own heritage or not being forthright.
I posted a comment on how one muslim still perceives Obama as muslim. He makes other statements like US is a dictatorship, etc. I'm not saying his view is valid on either aspect. I'm just showcasing an example of the perspective outside the US.
Obama doesn't even acknowledge there may be perspectives other than his. Only what is politically convenient for him. A ruthless politician succeeding in politics by pretending to renounce politics. Like the way he eliminated his oponents from the official ballot when he was running for the Illinois senate (disqualified signatures). He claims to be purer than politics while running the dirtiest of politics: The Chicago politics.
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