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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
nacazo: "From a Muslim/Islamic perspective, things are not so easy.
Who is a muslim?
1- Someone who recites the shahada. ... The Islamic call to prayer is the sahada and by reciting it, muslims would consider him a muslim."
The Islamic call to prayer is NOT the Shahada - the Islamic call to prayer is the Adhan, which is not the same thing. And the recitation of the Adhan does not make one a Muslim, from an Islamic perspective or otherwise. (Nor does the recitation of the Shahada, unless it is stated with belief and conviction.)
nacazo: "2- Someone who's father was muslim (even if only nominally)."
More disinformation from nacazo.
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Sherman A. Jackson, a professor of Arabic and Islamic studies at the University of Michigan, cited an ancient Islamic jurist, Ibn al-Qasim, who said, "If you divorce a Christian woman and ignore your child from her to the point that the child grows up to be a Christian, the child is to be left," meaning left to make his own choice. Jackson said that there was not total agreement among Islamic jurists on the point, but Luttwak’s assertion to the contrary was wrong.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/opinion/01pubed.html?pagewanted=2&_r=5
Electing Obama as President Of The United States would be the equivalent of appointing Jack Kevorkian as Director of The National Institutes Of Health. National suicide. Greg Neubeck
Yeah sure, Ole Nordal horns in here and you exhaust the American Dictionary of Platitudes on him.
Maybe when he sends his Halo into the shop for service you might notice poor ole Shooterman way back here.
What am I……..Gefilte Fish?
lol
Judging from all the commotion I'd say "We don't need a college bum with such bagage in the White House"... The whole world knows what he is and what he SEEMS NOT TO BE... We need a guy w/o no record like that... he's too much spoken about, negatively !!
I don't care whether he IS a Muslim, practices up to 7 times a day or NOT... 'not my problem....
I don't care what his Church is.... he can be a follower of Confusious... or Lucifer... all equal to me
However....
What I do care about is:- WHO (me, you, the whole world) the hell thinks HE (me, you, the whole world) can have a leverage on HIM as next President of the USA....
With Hillary or Opa John I know, I'm sure....!! But with Obama ?????
It's like the call on TV (olden days):- It's 10 PM.. do you know where your kids ARE ???? Call the Poleece !!..... Yes officer.... they're mine.... get in the shower.... you stink !!.....
If the total Muslim world thinks he, Obama is for real, He is Muslim because his middle name is Hussein, like his papa AND his grampappie and he smeared Allah by converting to Jesus, then.... hey,waitaminit..... Heil Allah.....Oh, He's GREAT..... We Muslims are on TOP OF THE WORLD !! 'You hear that Abu "Wotsyername?" !!
Sorry Broth' Hussein.... go ahead, play Jesus (he was Arab too)..... But you're sitting there in that... oh boy... famous Oval Office..... WITH ALLAH...... OH BOY.... ALLAH IZZZ GREAT !!
How's that brother Mahmed, Mohammed and all the other 'meds....., How's THAT ??? 'Told ya, DER Onkel Allah izzz GREAT.... No ?? Much GREATER than DER Onkel Adolph.... he was only corpral, one grade over Gefreiter and he was DER FÜHRER.... Jawohl Herr Oberst..... But he never made it to Londen, 40 kilometers away.... but Allah made IT... from Mekka all the way to Washington DC, 8000 Nautical Milos non stop one way w/o SAMS ??.... Bueno !
Hey, Donah..... come down from them clouds up there, will ya ??..... Yes Mother.... !!
So you know what I mean...??? America is my birthing ground...
I don't want any Muslim playing hoodlum in my yard....
Donah////
"Muslim" is the new 'N" word for the right.
527s (people who did Wilie Horton Ads) are running Anti Obama> Muslim Ads in Detroit Michigan as we blog.
Defeat the rightest bigots... send money to Obama.
Let me preface, I agree under American view of the world BHO can claim to be whatever he wants. We are discussing an Islamic view of the world.
publicola:The Islamic call to prayer is NOT the Shahada - the Islamic call to prayer is the Adhan, which is not the same thing. And the recitation of the Adhan does not make one a Muslim, from an Islamic perspective or otherwise. (Nor does the recitation of the Shahada, unless it is stated with belief and conviction.)
OK. Technically you are right. The adhan is not the shahada. The adhan is the shahada plus additional sentences calling muslims to the mosque. Now, if BHO was "never" a muslim how come he went to koranic school to make funny faces (according to his book) and learned the adhan (shahada plus to be precise) in perfect Arabic? In Indonesian schools only declared muslims take the koranic classses in school. At some point he was declared muslim.
publicola:Sherman A. Jackson, a professor of Arabic and Islamic studies at the University of Michigan, cited an ancient Islamic jurist, Ibn al-Qasim, who said, "If you divorce a Christian woman and ignore your child from her to the point that the child grows up to be a Christian, the child is to be left," meaning left to make his own choice. Jackson said that there was not total agreement among Islamic jurists on the point, but Luttwak’s assertion to the contrary was wrong.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/opinion/01pubed.html?pagewanted=2&_r=5
OK. I couldn't find any information about this Ibn-al-Qasim but let's say it's true. Whos saying it? An American muslim for American consumption and worse, with a loophole "there was not total agreement among Islamic jurists on the point". So there are Islamic jusrists that would consider "If you divorce a Christian woman and ignore your child from her to the point that the child grows up to be a Christian", the child is still a muslim.
Ibn-Qasim's opinion not withstanding, I would hate to be a Hawaiian with a muslim father in Saudi Arabia claiming "I'm not a muslim, I'm a christian". Good luck with that one if you don't have the protection of the Secret Service and connections in the leftist political elites of the USA. Your head will probably roll under this scenario.
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