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Wednesday, June 4, 2008 12:00 AM

Barack Obama's epic win

The young senator makes history not only in terms of race, while a determined Hillary Clinton delays the inevitable a bit longer.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2008 07:14 AM

"stunning narcissist"

is a pretty apt description, but "petulant child" is better. I am so deeply disappointed in the behaviour of Clinton last night. This was her moment, her moment to be gracious and dignified and prove that she cares about the Party. This was her moment to pivot her supporters over to her opponent's side and prepare to trounce Methuselah. Instead she gives fodder to the Taylor Marsh Brigade demanding "respect"...or something. She threw fuel on the fire...and that's almost unforgiveable (to be fair, there's been many moments that were almost unforgiveable, and yet I still give her the benefit of the doubt...and I don't know why)

Clinton showed herself to be nothing but a petulant child last night...a perception that will linger for a long time.

Wednesday, June 4, 2008 07:16 AM

DZ

Red...

There hasn't been a 'radical left' in the U.S. in a very long time. The mainstream of the Democratic Party in the 1960s and 70s was considerably more liberal than today. Your statement is ludicrous on the face of it.

The most liberal candidate ever put up by the Dems was George McGovern and Obama is well to the right of him. What are you talking about?

BTW, maybe you didn't mean it, but your original comment did come across as quite racist.

Wednesday, June 4, 2008 07:18 AM

@redgti2000

I certainly accept the sincerity of your position, even if I don't agree with it. I find it difficult to fathom how Obama can be considered any more a part of the "radical left" than Hillary Clinton. Aside from minor differences in healthcare policy (HRC's being arguably more "left") and foreign policy (HRC's being arguably more "right", or at least neocon in its bellicosity), these two candidates share largely identical views and platforms.

Obama, I think unquestionably, is a better vessel for HRC's legacy than is John McCain, and I will do my best to convince you of that in the coming months. I will try just as hard to do so in a respectful and gracious manner. Please forgive me should I fail to meet those standards, and call me out whenever I don't. We have much to do to repair our country. If we cannot come together to do so, then the shame of history shall be visited upon our heads.

Wednesday, June 4, 2008 07:18 AM

rupurt_c

More people eligible to vote for American Idol and you can vote more than once.

It is silly to use A.I. as a comparicon

Wednesday, June 4, 2008 07:20 AM

If Hillary's supporters really want respect

How about a few of them take the time to talk to RedGTI. He is basically honest in his views, and he just called Obama's supporters Nazis. If you Hillary supporters want to whine about how nasty Obama's supporters are, you should maybe have a serious look at your own camp.

Particularly that portion of that camp that is scared shitless that the radical left* will take over the Democratic Party.

*Radical Left: Those who want a functional government, lower national debt, universal healthcare, education for all, solid environmental standards and living wages for everyone willing to work for them. This is as opposed to the conservative movement, which can't run its way out of a paper bag.

Wednesday, June 4, 2008 07:20 AM

@Taliesan

Dude, you keep on trotting out that tired argument.

Admittedly, you're not yet a brownshirt but you are starting to show an inclination for it. This is what I posted regarding my taxes a long time ago:

http://letters.salon.com/news/feature/2008/03/04/texas/permalink/47dc8d574199ee65ba1851136c1b19ed.html

I am willing to pay more taxes with a Clinton handling the purse strings. But have MoveOn.org, Michael Moore and Rev. Wright deciding where to spend the several thousand I give to the IRS every April? On top of the monthly deductions? No thank you.

Of course, since you get a rebate every year you don't mind, do you? In fact, I'm probably paying for that Starbucks Latte you're sipping right now. But I'm sure it tastes a heck of a lot better than the cold Dunkin'on my table. Feel free to enjoy it. It's on me.

What goes around comes around, dude.

Wednesday, June 4, 2008 07:25 AM

Has it occurred to anyone...

...that maybe, after a year and a half of active campaigning and many millions of dollars spent and staying close the whole time, not being mathematically eliminated until the very end, that Clinton just needs a day or so to get used to the idea that it's over?

Maybe she needed a night for it to sink in. Maybe she wanted to have a conversation with Obama before officially conceding. I think it's a lot easier to drop out after a couple of primaries, when the candidate knows that there's no way he or she can catch up and hasn't spent a great deal of money yet.

She and Bill have been called "street fighters" and accused of "putting their interests first." Well, that's how they've gotten where they are. He came from nothing in Hope, Ark. to become President of the United States, and she's gotten closer than any woman has to the position. They were able to do that because they didn't give up when many thought they should, and they followed through to the very end. I don't blame her in the least for not conceding weeks ago -- she and Bill have gotten out of jams before, and as long as there was still a chance, however slim, then dammit, she was going to see it through. This is admirable. This is the epitome of can-do American spirit.

I don't think Hillary has "divided the party." As a matter of fact, this Democratic primary season has brought out voters in staggering numbers. It has gotten people excited for this election and, I think, doesn't make things look great for McCain. If people thought this would "weaken the party," well, then, the party has bigger things to worry about, doesn't it?

Wednesday, June 4, 2008 07:27 AM

red_gti2000

You do realise that a tax refund means you over-payed on your taxes during the year don't you?

IE: It was my money that I was getting back.

Oh, wait, that would require you to actually understand taxes, rather than whine about how you are being over-taxed.

Which is pretty typical of Republicans really, considering that a lot of them seem to live in states which get more back from the Fed than they actually put in.

Oh, and as to the tired "Latte Liberal" line, I like my coffee black.

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