This is not your parents' Democratic Party anymore. That political party is dead. You know I'm right. You feel it in your bones. It is a sad day for all of us.

Arguably, my parent's democratic party has been dead since the Eighties. And they know it. My mom voted for Hillary, but she's told me there is no way in hell she will vote for a Republican. Endquote.

And I do find it interesting that while you are stating that Obama is too left, Jeb is worrying that Obama will be too right.

It seems to me this dispute cannot be resolved without an agreed-upon definition of the word "dismissive."

I think this was the term Jeb used, right?

Unless we can agree about what exactly constitutes "dismissive behavior" in this context, we won't get anywhere.

Perhaps one or both of you could propose a hypothetical example of behavior that's indisputably dismissive and then haggle from there on the meaning of the quotes in question.

For the record, I can see how the comments are dismissive, but I don't read the tone as antagonistic in any way.

I guess my question is, is it necessary for Obama to kiss Clinton's supporters' asses (and I mean that in a lighthearted way, not trying to antagonize myself) or is it sufficient for him to appeal to them as one bloc of many.

That's what all this turns on, really, right?

And if Obama is expected to make extra special efforts to appeal to Clinton's bloc (or, more accurately, blocs), what should he do?

What sorts of outreach, Jeb, would you respond to? Really, what is it you're looking for?

The most retarded assertion running today is this ridiculous notion (again) that all Clinton supporters woke up this morning severely aggrieved, a la jeb or indigo. Really. Most Clinton supporters have lives and don't give a shit about whatever discussion is going on in the blogosphere. They don't know Obama trolls and don't care about the nastiness here or in other internet blogs. Please. 17 million Clinton voters aren't going to switch sides and vote for McCain. What a retarded, self-important assertion.

No one owes either you or Clinton or Harriet Christian's crazy ass anything. Clinton lost. Someone was going to lose. She's still a good woman and her husband was a good President. But she couldn't beat Obama. So come along and help Obama win the country back, or go vote for McCain and be a baby. But the constant demand for ass-kissing is beyond tiresome.

It's time to stop arguing and come together. Obama is the nominee, and we need to stop letting cable TV divide the Democratic Party. The media made sexist statements about Hillary, not Obama. Read the link including the comments to see what's at stake in this election. It's frightening.

http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/06/all_hail_comrade_fenty.php

I'm looking for him to 1) recognize that Clinton got 50% of the vote and offer her the VP slot. I don't know if he'll be able to win with her, but I am absolutely certain he will not win without her. Too many of her supperter's are angry at his attacks on her and will not accept words of appeasement, they need action. If Clinton accepts, which I suspect she would, that would also constitute the ultimate endorsement of his candidacy and will sway a number of her supporter's who respect her but are not confident in him.

2) Give us a reason to vote for him. I'm not interested in "change" and "unity", especially since his policies do not offer any real change and his unity seems to have divided the Democratic Party in ways from which we will not quickly recover. I don't care about charisma. I've seen charismatic politicians, and I wasn't impressed by their performance in the office of President. I'm not impressed by rock star rallies. I like rock concerts, but I don't want a politician/celebrity (unless it's Bono - who isn't a citizen). I have serious doubts about Obama's character and ideals. He has tolerated some egregious behaviour on the part of his campaign managers, and participated to some extent. As I have said, I'm not the one you're reaching for, but if I can be swayed then it is likely that many others can as well.

Please be specific when you say the media made sexist remarks about Hillary. I have heard hone. If you really want people to take sexism seriously you must discuss it in serious terms with real specific examples. Let's here them.

jebldmm says" He has tolerated some egregious behaviour on the part of his campaign managers, and participated to some extent."

Huh I think you meant teh Hillary advisers didn't you? What egregious behavior did Obam's camaping manager participate in? Tell me.

Just playing devil's advocate here, but I have heard the media use gender-coded language to describe the race. For example, a pundit saying that Hillary comes off like someone's nagging ex-wife. Or last night while talking about the possibility she'll be offered a spot on the ticket, Chris Matthews saying the Veep doesn't need to "love and honor, but has to obey the candidate." As if she'd be Obama's subservient wife or something.

Coverage of this race has been sexist as well as racist at times.

My party just elected the first african american presidential nominee who happens to be the best candidate I've had the pleasure of supporting in my entire life.

Today is a happy day to be sure.

I feel rather sorry for the alternate universe democrats who are so bitter about their preferred candidate losing the race (I'd be upset, too) that they are

- threatening to vote for the republican or not vote, as though the principles that Hillary Clinton has fought so hard to achieve are that irrelevant to their support of her

- claiming that the race isn't ~really~ over, because technically we decide who the nominee is at the Convention to which I can only wonder, "what color is the sky where you are?" Seriously. This delusion is rather frightening.

- Bashing the shit out of Obama personally, truth be damned. This leads me to believe that we're merely seeing the results of the Republican efforts to plant malcontents in internet message boards frequented by the left. So indigo, jeb et al - you're fakes. You're doing a good job, but you're still fakes. Posting links to other places where there's anti-Obama propaganda is a dead giveaway.

But my party and my country are looking ahead. We're hoping that our government can be as good as our country. That we can have a President who restores dignity to the office and restores America's place of respect in International Relations.

Today is a great progressive victory, and it shall not be sullied by the republican plants or the hardcore Clinton supporters who are naturally feeling the sting of defeat today.

Last night was a victory for progressive values, the Democratic Party, and indeed all of America.