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Wednesday, June 4, 2008 12:00 AM

Barack Obama's epic win

The young senator makes history not only in terms of race, while a determined Hillary Clinton delays the inevitable a bit longer.

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Wednesday, June 4, 2008 10:56 AM

Still more Hillary bashing

Anyone who is paying attention knows that the media — including Salon.com — has been mean to Hillary and has apparently had a very good, time of it. Same with lots of men and even, god help us, lots of women.

The sexism is blatant, as is the underlying classism. If you don't believe the latter is in play, go back and read the long article Sally Quinn wrote for the Washington Post just as the Clintons came on the scene.

Now we will get months of racism b/c, my fellow Americans, this ugliness shows us as we are.

Wednesday, June 4, 2008 10:56 AM

Don't worry, slancio

On MSNBC last night, Howard Fineman said he has very good sources within the campaigns, and they told him that Obama does not want to offer Hillary the VP.

So Hillary, you can threaten the Democratic ticket all you want by trying to use your voters as a bargaining chip. Ain't gonna work.

Wednesday, June 4, 2008 11:02 AM

yeah as if MSM hadn't spun facts enough...

and obtuse kool-aid drinker like debaser expects us to take whatever MSM tells us at face-value.

Yesterday before primary began AP, followed by most media, released "breaking news" that HRC would concede.

It turned out to be a big, fat LIE. In your face.

It's one of the string of LIES they spew forth the last 6 months and now we are supposed to believe what they say Hillary say?

Gimme me a break!

Wednesday, June 4, 2008 11:02 AM

Wed, June 4 - now that Obama is the nominee - is nominating yrself for VP uncool?

Surely Obama knows the rxtraordinary merits of Senator Clinton. Shouldn't he be allowed to make a clear choice himself and not be placed in a position of openly choosing or rejecting Senator Clinton as VP?

Isn't it uncool of anyone, not just Senator Clinton, to nominate yourself for the position of VP?

Just asking.

Wednesday, June 4, 2008 11:05 AM

Sick of media hype....

...about HIS RACE being African American, Black, Kenyan. For god's sake, STOP IT ALREADY.

The man is MIXED RACE, one half black but also one half white. His white half is from English and Irish ancestry so why aren't those being trumpeted as his ancestry too? What is wrong with being English and Irish? Are they so horrid they must be hidden away so he can be idolized as being black when he clearly isn't?

It's ridiculous really that all this focus is on his blackness. He isn't black and anyone who overlooks the other 50% of his ancestry is just showing their bigotry to his other ancestry -- yes, the media is racist when they put all their focus on him being black, him being Kenyan. That is simply just not true - he is more than just those things and to ignore the rest speaks volumes of the bigotry and narrowmindedness of what is apparently a good sized portion of this country and obviously the majority of our retarded American journalists.

What is important here is: He is AMERICAN, born here and raised, for the most part, here in America by an American mother and grandmother. He is not Kenyan by any stretch of the imagination, he is a first generation American!

Wednesday, June 4, 2008 11:07 AM

Hillary supporters: where does their Fealty lie?

Keep living in your bubble, fact is HE NEEDS HER MORE THAT SHE NEEDS HIM AND HE CAN'T WIN WITHOUT HER SUPPORTERS.

I'm more empirically oriented about this. I don't think Hillary supporters are chattel. Each of them will be considering things over the next several weeks and figuring out what they will do. Both Hillary and Obama will be waiting. Hillary will be interested in the level of support (including much needed dollars) that she gets from her website. One cold way of looking at the situation is this: How many die-hard supporters and tens of millions does Hillary need to continue a viable fight until the convention, and what are her chances of success? It's a high risk strategy to start with that has plenty of downside.

The daily tracking polls (gallup, rasmussen) will be interesting for clues. I personally think there is a good chance that Hillary is in her strongest position now, but that's all dependent on the rate that her supporters switch to Obama.

Wednesday, June 4, 2008 11:10 AM

leegee

It's because these people are so narcissistic in their belief that they are so open-minded and gracious to having elected a black nominee.

That's all they're interested in.

It's their collective white guilt. Had he been chinese, he would have had no chance.

Wednesday, June 4, 2008 11:11 AM

did anyone notice the guy with glasses behind clinton last night?

The guy was at her last victory speech. I think it was ky. hahahahahha

funny. I thoguht they all had locals at these events. Sad and pathetic. throw that on the top of the sad and pathetic pile, in terms of clinton and her republcain supporters.

You won't see obama doing that. he doesn't need to. he actualy has supporters who support him. As opposed to clinton who's supporters are republcains tryig to sabotage the country and oppostion ticket. onyl works if we don't know wha tthye are doing. to the gop, clinton included, if you don't believ ein democracy or majority rule you are not americans, just fascists living here.

Wednesday, June 4, 2008 11:14 AM

@sigmund5

Read Bill Clinton's bio. He had served 12 years as governor of Arkansas.

Wednesday, June 4, 2008 11:18 AM

neat.

Read Bill Clinton's bio. He had served 12 years as governor of Arkansas.

which is, oddly enough, the same number of years that Obama has held elected office.

Wednesday, June 4, 2008 11:18 AM

@weeping for brunnhilde

Just for starters, Obama needs to convince his campaign managers to stop saying that they aren't going to bother reaching out to Clinton's voters because her supporter's are going to get over their "hurt feelings" and vote for him automatically. Nobody likes to be taken for granted.

Wednesday, June 4, 2008 11:19 AM

Worth repeating.

To the nuts on both sides, this is worth repeating:

"candidates attack each and pick at their little differences because they have to do something to try to differentiate themselves from opponents who are more alike than a lot of people realize...I'm sure Obama and Clinton piss each other off, but when it comes down to it, they know that this is how the game is played. So no, I don't blame either one of them for "tearing apart the Democratic party."

No, I blame you...the ones who attack the opposing candidates and those candidates' supporters for being too stupid and narrow-minded to think exactly the right way. I think Clinton and Obama have showed each other plenty of respect. You're the ones who haven't.

-- KLeewrite "

Indeed.

To the tiny minority who really believe (rather than just say) it's better to let McCain win than vote for Obama...really? You do realize women are going to be one of top groups harmed the most under 4 more years of Republican white house control? Either you guys are closet Republicans or you don't really care about issues, just surface identity.

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