Letters to the Editor
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The McCain economy
I'm supposed to place my confidence in the same team that botched the economy for the last seven years with a phony expansion that was merely asset inflation and derivatives based paper trading while they let the deficit ballon courtesy of Dick 'Deficits don't Matter' Cheney? Not to mention the children and grandchildren of this country paying for the Iraq war.
Oh yeah, McCain is going to save us all with his Gas Tax Holiday. It's just the same as Hillary's plan, only better.
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green job & polls
I'm not sure what your link proves. Yes, we know the economy and Iraq are the top two issues in the current election - not one person here has argued otherwise. Your polls don't list potential SCOTUS nominations as a separate issue, nor do they break down voting statistics by party affiliation or lack thereof.
The past 10 elections took place in different times, with different administrations in office, and different issues at the forefront; thus they are of limited value in assessing what voters of any affiliation think important in 2008.
It's called logic...why not use it to prove your point?
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Re - the McCain Economy
I'm supposed to place my confidence in the same team that botched the economy for the last seven years with a phony expansion that was merely asset inflation and derivatives based paper trading while they let the deficit ballon courtesy of Dick 'Deficits don't Matter' Cheney? Not to mention the children and grandchildren of this country paying for the Iraq war.
Oh yeah, McCain is going to save us all with his Gas Tax Holiday. It's just the same as Hillary's plan, only better.
That's what I'm talking about!
My point is that if your goal is to get Obama elected President, then it doesn't matter what you (doloresflower or CeliaInSF) or I think about the Supreme Court, judicial philosophy, etc because based on current polling, and the last several Presidential elections, the Supreme Court isn't the issue that will make much difference.
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Disaster
ProudTexasGirl: I'll bet that most of the people trying to give you advise are the young crowd that are the majority supporting Obama who have their credit card's maxed out,have a car not paid for and if they have a house they owe more than it's worth--which shows bad judgment and bad management. No one with good judgment would support a person close to Rezko a criminal now on trial in Chicago,who has a White Hating racist pastor for 20 year's whom he's now trying to distance himself from and a racist chip on her shoulder wife who doesn't like this country and they want her as first lady?I can't believe how blind people are. George Bush in 2000 shouted change and now has the lowest poll rating of any president because his changes brought disaster just as Obama's would.
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My point Green Job
was that the SCOTUS argument is one here, among political junkies and wonks. Not about making a broad based appeal to the electorate. And the point with SCOTUS is the long term damage those appointments can make. Witness Bush's two choices.
The argument keeps coming up because there are some republican' troll in our midst who keep saying that if Obama wins the nomination they will vote for John McCain. People usually try to appeal to their better nature- why would you do that to the country? - which doesn’t work because they have no better nature. Then we try to reason - look John McCain will have the opportunity to appoint Supreme Court justices! - you don't want that for the future, do you? But they’re not thinking about the common good or future importance of the high court. Because they are republican trolls!
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Kilroy, for god's sake!
FDR and Kennedy shouted change too -- but you choose to cite one example of some guy who was an obviously bumbling fool at the outset, who promised change (and delivered, too, catstrophically) and then draw the conclusion that Obama, a different person from Bush in every possible way, will crash and burn just as Dubya has (when in fact it would be almost impossible to duplicate his failure, although I'm sure Mad John would give him a good run at it).
So what's your point, really?
Oh, by the way, although I, for one, have never tried to give PTG "advise" (sic), although I have tried a time too many to engage her in discussion. Even so, and if that's what you mean by "advise" (sic) then I, for one, am over 60, am currently disabled and on a fixed income, and have almost eliminated all my debt. College is but a distant and annoying memory for me. I do have a daughter about to come out of grad school however, financially flush, and a rabid Obama supporter. So much for stereotyping everyone with the same broad, sloppy brush.
I know, you weren't talking to me. It doesn't seem to matter here. This is no longer a place for intelligent and civil public discourse. But you know that. You were, after all, addressing one of the least civil people ever to post here.
OK, carry on.
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@AJCalhoun moderation as a neglected art
You might have aready seen this, but I see little point in exchanging views with the apocalyptic crowd:
When the race riots start, I hope that those most deserving of dying first are killed in that order, and I hope that I am there to see this. Damn them all to hell for laughing as we struggle to hold onto this powder keg. damn them all.
http://letters.salon.com/opinion/walsh/election_2008/2008/05/10/clinton_continues/permalink/4ea4313e4a059420eb265861e26c97f8.html
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@ Uncle Fester
I followed your link and that is one of the creepiest things I've ever read!
She can't be for real though. How about a campaign of the cold shoulder to Proud Tex ? Maybe she’ll go back under her bridge. (Might also help test my hypothesis that she and Shawn are one and the same.)
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Salon editors deleted my message
Here is the message that Salon's editors deleted from this thread. It was on about page 4 or 5 of the thread. Funny, there was nothing offensive about this post....why was it deleted?
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How To Write an Anti-Obama Comment
(1) Use the term "empty suit" or a variation
(2) Be sure to mention Kool-Aid. Oh yeah!
(3) Make reference Obama as a "messiah."
(4) Call Obama "arrogant" but don't say why.
(5) Call Obama's supporters sexists; act as though the worst-behaving people represent the majority.
(6) Use fun terms like: Obamabot, Obamateur, Obamanauts, Obambi, Obamalamadingdong, etc. For good measure, be sure to claim that Obama's supporters are the ones doing all the name-calling.
(7a) Say Obama has "played the race card" while making comments that subtly tap into people's racism.
(7b) Claim that many Americans won't vote for a black man and therefore that's why Obama should not be the candidate.
(8) Mention Rev. Wright whenever possible. (Be sure to say "How could Obama sit in those pews for 20 years?" or for good measure ask how Obama could expose his girls to such vitriol)
(9) Blame all of the Clinton's gaffes on Obama. The negative reaction to Bill's "Jesse Jackson also won" comment, or Hillary's "MLK needed LBJ to get it done" comment? Claim Obama somehow telepathically made people find offense.
(10) Act as though you are Nostradamus and can see the future: "Obama will lose in November," etc. Don't bother to state your reasons -- just make your prediction as if you know it absolutely.
(11) Brand all of Obama's supporters as hopelessly naive, young, inexperienced, optimistic, starry-eyed, etc. Then cast yourself as an astute, experienced, cynical-but-realistic, wizened, pragmatic one.
(12) Claim that Obama's campaign tactics have been incredibly corrupt (use the term "Rovian"), while studiously avoiding discussion of Clinton's own campaign tactics.
(13) Don't forget to throw in "latte liberal" for good measure. References to "arugula" or "elitism" are also good.
(14) Against all mathematical sensibility, continue to repeat the mantra that Hillary Clinton has won the popular vote.
(14b) Then say "delegates don't matter."
(14c) Then say caucus wins are undemocratic and unrepresentative.
(14d) Then say that Obama and his team of lawyers blocked revotes in Michigan and Florida, the voters are being suppressed or disenfranchised, and generally make it sound like Clinton's on the side of all that is good and patriotic here. (Be sure to avoid mentioning Clinton's early statements that Michigan and Florida shouldn't count.)
(15) Point out that Obama has spent 2 or 3 times more money than Clinton, but don't mention that this is because he's got more money from more supporters, or that Clinton's campaign has gone into debt several times over.
(16) Whenever possible, smear Michelle Obama. For good measure, claim that Obama is whipped by her in the exact same way that people used to say Bill was whipped by Hillary (be sure not to note this irony, of course!)
(17) If opportunity arises, say "Shame on you Barack Obama!"
(18) Actually, if you're going to say Barack Obama's full name, you might as well say "Barack Hussein Obama"
(19) If you can squeeze it in, find some way to suggest Obama has Muslim ties, whether it's a passing reference Farrakhan, a mention of his Indonesian school, talking about the Hamas support, or whatever.
(20) Also don't forget to say "Rezko" even if you can't spell it ("Resco," "Rezko," who cares? It sounds nefarious).
(21) Claim that the media has fawned over Obama all along.
(22) For examples of media sexism, point to cable-news people who are usually sexist and racist anyway, as if they represent the majority of media.
(23) Ignore the negative antics of other Clinton supporters. Don't call them out on it.
(24) If somebody calls you out on something uncool, just repeat the following: "Whatever Clinton or her supporters might do or say against Obama, it will be 1,000 times worse when he faces the GOP."
(24b) Be sure to also call Obama supporters "whiners" if they object to anything you say.
(25) Last, but not least, angrily delcare that if Obama is the nominee, you will vote for McCain.
Voila! You've got the perfect pro-Clinton message! Be sure to mix and match various points in different ways so that people don't realize you're just saying the same thing over and over.