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Monday, May 12, 2008 12:00 AM

Hillary enters death-with-dignity phase

If she hasn't already quit, it's hard to envision Clinton continuing her unwinnable -- even with Florida and Michigan -- battle beyond June 4.

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Sunday, May 11, 2008 07:08 PM

Death with dignity

Is impossible as America, or at least Democrats, have chosen to embrace an arrogant empty shirt racist lying hypocrite and has shat upon the finest candidate ever in the history of America--Mrs. Hillary Clinton.

I will not drink the kool aid, nor will stare blindly at a naked emperor pretending to see clothing. Instead, I will, with as much dignity as an American can have these days, watch the news and laugh when I want to cry as the media finally meets Barack Hussein Obama. I will then pray that in 2012 Hillary Clinton runs for President, again, and we have the decorum and common sense to vote for her.

Sunday, May 11, 2008 07:12 PM

Remain respectful of Senator Clinton, but do not fall for this

The Clintons aren't giving this up. They're just not. So remain respectful of Senator Clinton, but remain wary (especially with respect to Florida and Michigan) of any moves they might make.

Don't let anyone fool you. The public's awareness and diligence on this has had an effect. The deal to pay off Senator Clinton's debts fell through, almost exclusively because Obama supporters raised a fuss as they should have on the internet about doing this.

You just have to be wary. Obama offered to compromise with her on Michigan 69-59 to her advantage. Do you know what her counter-proposal was? She gets ALL of the votes in Michigan. Even the uncommitted. She wants the scoredcard to read 128-0 for her in terms of delegates and literally 330,000 to 0 in terms of Michigan's popular vote. That's beyond ridiculous it's insulting and she knows untrue.

Continue to praise her (as she deserves on this front) for running a tough campaign. But don't fall for the "it's all over" strategy. It's over whenever (and again no one's trying to push her) Senator Clinton, like every other candidate on the earth has had to do at some point, finally concedes.

Sunday, May 11, 2008 07:16 PM

When will it end

We have a historic first. The first black candidate to win the nomination of a political party and 99.9% of the coverage is on his defeated white opponent. Ask yourself why is this? Is there any reason for the media's continued obssession as to when she Hillary will stop campaigning (she has repeatedly said after the June 4th primary), whether she will be on the ticket as the Vice President (the answer is HELL no) and what she will do after loosing the nomination (she has a Senate seat - duh). We keep hearing, Hillary give it up, you have no pride or dignity, actually its the media who need to give it up.

Sunday, May 11, 2008 07:27 PM

And what if Clinton is the VP running mate?

What will all you folks like texasgirl, katetx, shawn, wes, etc do? Continue to bad mouth the "empty shirt" although your icon is actively campaigning for the ticket? Vote republican because your hero, while on the ticket, isn't on top? Become very very quiet? (I'm hoping for this one)

This must be making you guys completely nuts.

Sunday, May 11, 2008 07:40 PM

Gee wiz I read the whole NY times and

except for the Op Ed Page there was no discussion of Hillary , her campaign or otherwise. I am very sorry Clinton supporters, its over and the rancor just makes you look bad. Hillary may have been a fine candidate , but she was destroyed by listening to her exalted advisers.

Sunday, May 11, 2008 07:41 PM

The solution for Florida and Michigan is...

...blindingly obvious, and it's roughly the opposite of what the Rules Committee is said secretly to prefer.

Seat the Florida and Michigan superdelegates and give them all the convention votes the elected delegates would have controlled. Penalize them by not allowing them additional votes as superdelegates.

The supers are elected officials accountable to the voters. The electorate in future out-of-order primary states will understand that their states will not be denied their weighted voice by the party, but that their own elected officials will be accruing power to themselves if they choose to jump the DNC calendar.

By the way, it is the perfect right of state legislatures to set their primary dates whenever they want. The legislators represent the people; DNC committee members are mere party apparatchiks. Legislatures may be controlled by the other party, which has an equal right to have its primary order respected. They may set rules about crossover voting which do no justice to the preferences of true Dems. With so much potential for abuse and misdirection, Dems should abandon primaries and caucuses altogether and go to an audited mail-in system to select their future standard-bearers, counting the votes of registered party members as corporations count the votes of shareholders.

Sunday, May 11, 2008 07:41 PM

Sorry, meffert

There's no way on earth Hillary Clinton would accept the vice-presidential crumbs at Obama's table. Forget it. Ain't gonna happen. That would give far too much satisfaction to the bully boyz in the Obama campaign and the MSM. Besides, the woman's way too good to be wasted on doing Obama's homework for him. High time he did his own.

As far as the death-with-dignity bit goes - this is just more b.s, calculated to further bury Hillary using recently standardized leftist bully boy tactics.

Sunday, May 11, 2008 07:42 PM

Death with dignity requires a degree of serenity - Not a standout characteristic of Ms. Clinton

The truth can be so painful ... but there are always lucrative Book deals that Ms. Clinton can no doubt move on towards .... perhaps that will help assuage her existential angst and give some of her more ardent supporters reading material as they contemplate what really happened - (Should they possess that capacity).

So it goes ....

Sunday, May 11, 2008 07:45 PM

At this point she simply sucks...

As does her husband who spent his entire life trying to become president and then couldn't keep it in his pants.

Her sense of entitlement is simply nauseating.

Sunday, May 11, 2008 07:47 PM

ProudTexasGirl

Molly Ivins should rise out of her grave and shake some sense in to your empty head. Oh wait, let me guess . . . you're a RepubliCon posing as a Hillary supporter so you can constantly talk trash about Obama. Yeah, that's not going on in any other blogs/sites either . . . Your tactics are as transparent as Rove's. Give it a rest already you shrill whiner.

Sunday, May 11, 2008 07:47 PM

It Ain't Over til it's Over...

...but when Walter Shapiro says it's over, and he's talking about Hillary Clinton, then it really is over.

I agree with Libertyson that we all should continue to respect the cunning and determination of Ms. Clinton and her track record of incredible gambits for pulling herself out of the icy waters. She will likely continue til the last cow is in the barn, the door is closed and the barn set afire.

It is not a pretty thing to watch, but it is, at this point, more inevitable than a Clinton nomination was just four months ago. All raving lunatics arguing against the obvious duly noted, there is no probable way this can end with Clinton as the nominee. I only hope -- quite sincerely -- that she can find a way to allow herself some dignified exit plan. The timing will be up to her, and I'm not certain Shapiro's notion of throwing in the towel after a win in West Virginia would be so much dignified as a slap in the face of her supporters, her foot soldiers who have gone there and endured tremendous hardship on her behalf. That's if she actually wins there. West Virginia is poorly understood by people living in about 42 of the contiguous states anyway, and absolutely anything could happen there tomorrow.

Still, there needs to be some sort of entourage dispatched now to help her figure out how to extricate herself before she winds up in a position where history may make the first female candidate's heroic run look something less than heroic. I don't want to see that, I'm sure she doesn't (if she's even considered the possibility) and it's for damn sure her opponents won't want to wind up with that for their legacy. They deserve better. The Clinton family deserves better. But the person who can prevent it is the candidate herself, and I'm no longer sure she can see through the mist of self-absorption anymore, if she ever could.

For the sake of a relatively happy ending to all this, I hope Ms. Clinton can at least be persuaded to do this in a way that will allow her a place of honor and respect in history's view, rather than Glen Close's character in "Fatal Attraction." She's starting to look like a rabbit boiler right about now.

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