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You make excellent points about California, Jeffersonian. He's been trending upwards there, recent polls show Obama beating HRC there if it were re-ran, and most think he would have beat her there intially if it weren't for early voting when many still went along with the media narrative Hillary was unbeatable.
Fester and others have attempted to post real data about the complex new electoral map we're looking at and the challenges we're facing. I've tried to talk about Missouri, Virginia, Colorado, Wisconsin, Iowa, New Mexico, Arizona, Kansas, and South Dakota (due to the break up of 2 particular Congressional districts there.) We've tried to tell them about the burgeoning youth vote, why we think we can hold the Latino vote (it also has to do with the high number of young Latinos), the AA vote and hopefully some of Hillary's vote. We've even admitted Obama basically is down to either just a Pennsylvania or Ohio problem depending on which he feels he needs.
They just don't want to engage in it. They're convinced we're looking at the same electoral map we were in 1956. This recent bent about Kennedy winning West Virginia just further proves the point to me, that they're only even now progressing to the 1960 map. There's just no point now. There convinced Obama can't win no matter what we tell them.
