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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
"Killing by the numbers!
"Sorry, but I always suspect the factuality of Salon printed stories. Knowing how far left leaning and the overall hate of President Bush, and I might add any Republican, the more I question the stories I read. I can see what left wing propaganda has been doing to the Palestine children from birth. I can see left leaning editorialists in left leaning newspapers and major news broadcast networks pump out. I might add liberalism taught to young college students, etc. I think the salon article that left the greatest impression on me was one last winter where a writer was lambasting Democrats for appearing on the Fox News Network. That coming from a group that claims they believe in freedom of speech, took the cake. Put that in your left wing bias and like they say "smoke it!"."
Torture is a war crime. That is the law, not a "liberal" position.
Torture cannot be made legal. That is the law, not a "liberal" position.
Even the EFFORT to make torture legal is illegal. That is the law -- as adopted by a REPUBLICAN Congress -- not a 'liberal" position.
A criticism of Democrats for appearing on the Republican propaganda mill Fox is not an attack on freedom of speech. It is a questioning of the judgment of those who would lend credibility to Fox as being something other than the sewer of lies and liars it has all along been.
"-- morefunky Friday, May 9, 2008 12:36 PM"
Learn to think, or continue to behave irresponsibly by putting party before country and rule of law. Learn to think, or continue to prefer false proaganda and lies to fact and truth.
The fact is that those soldiers did as reported. That is not a "liberal" position. Though perhaps it IS a "liberal" position to prefer and tell the truth, instead of pretending that intellectual dishonesty, lying, and defending and committing war crimes are patriotic.
"Place blame where it belongs
"The incident was investigated and the soldiers punished as war criminals, as they should have been."
How many of those soldiers were ACTUALLY punished? Go back and read the article.
"What I don't see is the connection to any alleged policy to increase "body counts." Blame the war not on our soldiers, who by and large are doing their jobs and abiding by the rules of engagement the best they can, given that the enemy is not wearing a uniform, . . . .
Tohse to whom you refer as "the enemy" are said by the military itself to be over 90 per cent IRAQI, who are rightfully fighting to liberate their country from illegal occupation by YOUR COUNTRY.
Stop the cowardly blaming of the victims.
And, yes: the "body count" order came from above; it was not decided in the field.
". . . and blame the President and the Congress which initally supported and endorsed the war, which includes John Edwards, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton.
"-- barrister89 Friday, May 9, 2008 04:07 PM"
And blame those who voted for the Bushit criminal enterprise even AFTER they knew we were lied, principally by him, into illegally invading and illegally occupying a non-threatening soveign nation?
It is no small thing that that criminal enterprise vociferously asserts that Bushit alone has the authority to conduct wars, and to do so as he sees fit. That lays the full culpability, therefore, in the laps of that criminal enterprise.
Same goes especially for the war crime of torture, which was authorized and being imposed long before even Congress learned of it. Am I resonsible for a fact when that fact is withheld from me and my knowledge? When my course of conduct is induced by means of lies by those in sole possession of the full information?
There's plenty of blame to go around. But it was the Bushit criminal enterprise, not the Democrats, who lied the country into this illegal war and occupation. To underscore that fact I remind you that Colin Powell is a Republican, not a Democrat.
And remind you that the "Principals" committee which planned the war crime of torture down to the fine details was populated by Republicans -- none of its members being a Democrat.
Torture is a war crime. It cannot be made legal. And any ATTEMPT to make it legal is ALSO illegal. The person who made that illegal attempt, to fraudlently give torture the appearance of legality for the consumption of the dishonest and the uninformed, was John Yoo, a Republican -- not a Democrat.
I know I am innocent because I did everything I knew how to convince everyone I knew that GWB should not be president ever. And I did every thing I could to convince people not to go to war. I called my congressmen too. This may be a democracy, but the people have very little power. Our government has been corrupted. We have no control.
Violence ruins people. From soldiers to police, it is the same. It doesn't matter what the initial intention was, the evil takes over and ruins even the good people. How do we stop it? Like quitting smoking, or losing weight or any other bad habit, we just have to stop. Period. It probably wouldn't hurt to end the violence in the media, but we have about as much chance of doing that as we do of ending smoking or obesity.
Are you suggesting that we take young people who are anxious to do some good in the world by becomming doctors, lawyers, electricians, etc. and turn them into killers too? Perhaps ruin their minds and their relationships and their lives forever? For What? Haven't you noticed that the real war, the one we fought in retaliation for 911, in Afganistan, is being completely fudged for the sake of this stupidity in Iraq. Tell me you haven't bought all the crap we've been sold from the Bush wackers. Mission accomplished and all that nonsence. Tell me you don't lose focus every time someone waves the stars and stripes in front of you. We have lost our integrity in the eyes of the whole world. How will sending more innocent young lives into the toilet going to help? The war was unjust to begin with. We've been too stupid to pull out. Pride goeth before the fall. Let's take our fall without sending our best and brightest in to save us. They certainly didn't ask for this.
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups are courting respectability
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