Letters to the Editor
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zoobee
good point.
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On race
...Of the new huge talking point for both sides being race, all of sudden. It's downright disgusting when people claim that Obama is only winning because of race
Unfortunately there's just no other way to see it. Obama won not one, not one single district that wasn't heavily AA based where they voted for him 9:1. He did well in a few college towns too. So that puts him on par with Dukakais electorally. Meanwhile the Reagan Democrats are completely gone to him, the elderly, working women, blue collar union members, hispanics and other Dem critical constituents. Not to metnion independents.
So it's a landslide loss. The left got their way as always. I hope you're happy.
Meanwhile as for blacks let's just cut to the chase. Hypocrisy
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Lefty-left dreams
The rationalist in me knows that either Democrat -- heck, any Democrat-- would wipe the floor with McCain in a one-on-one.
Keep dreaming kid. Every major demographic in the primary screams otherwise. But you know, the left does this over and over. They insisted when they split the vote for Gore that he couldn't lose, when they split the vote on Humprey that a Dem couldn't lose, etc etc.
They never (ever) learn. And it's one fo those cases where they damned well would have been served to listen to their elders.
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@shawnwm
"The "real" motive for staying in is obvious. Barrack Dukakis can't win and she cares.
Whereas he doesn't."
This kinda comment is exactly what is wrong with Salon and Hilary supporters. It all comes down to what "I" feel or what "my friends say" and other quick labels to be thrown around. For Obama to get as many votes as he did in Indiana, in a state that is the most racist north of the mason-dixon line, is amazing. You can blame it on the "niggars" who support him but it just doesn't wash. Keep marginalizing the groups or people who don't happen to support your candidate because you like her and no party can survive. Talk about ME ME ME...Hilary has NO CHANCE of winning but you asshats keep talking smack...how is that responsible and concerned about the country?
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Shawn's dreams
If you really believe that, Shawn, you could make a lot of money, currently over 60% on your investment in most prediction markets. I'm not going to shill for one and give you a link, but Google around and you'll find people betting that Barack will win the primary by a huge margin, the general election by a majority margin, and McCain by a tiny minority.
The fact that a significant amount of people are betting a significant amount of money that McCain will lose and Obama will win does not in itself prove anything, except perhaps that you are the one who is dreaming, and we are the ones with our eyes open.
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@shawnwm
90% of African Americans voted for Obama...that is bad HOW? How is that different than EVERY presidential election?
This is the exact argument that Limbaugh et. al. make all of the time about the Republican party. ya, dem darkies don't have a place. Yes, he won the Regioncounties, but the problem with your argument is that he did INCREDIBLY well in overwhelming white rural areas of Indiana and could have not come as close as he did by just relying on the coloreds.
Have you ever been to Indiana? I am from the incredibly conservative NE Indiana area and have heard people who have made casual racist remarks say they are voting for Obama. Is it because they hate women? No, because they elect women to county positions and racism is a MUCH strong force than sexism.
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@shawnwm
I get it, but consider this: For the sale of argument, assume Obama gets the nomination.
In the general, Barack Obama will get 90% of African-American votes nationally. Any candiate getting 90% of ANY group is truly remarkable. If he can continue to deliver virtually all of a huge group like African-Americans, he could pull it out with that group and the lefty-left bullseye of educated, liberal urban whites and students.
I know the asthetics of that formula don;t look great and the lopsidedness is troubling sociologically but, mathematically he might be able get it done without achieveing any great gains among working class whites. Did any of the candidates that you mention domibate a large group to the extent that Obama does with African Americans? His appeal to that group is so great and such a statistical outlier that if the percentages in that group hold up against McCain (and of course they will) it could be enough to tip the scales.
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@shawnwm...these shifting goalposts
I am guessing that being a kool-aid drinker you missed The Daily Show expose on how Hilary has kept changing the standards for winning the nomination. Of course you didn't see it because you wouldn't be able to say such crap and maintain some intellectual integrity or psyche balance.
The only logical conclusion is that you are another agent provacateur from the right...or just incredibly dumb.
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Don't take Shawn seriously
He doesn't take himself seriously, obviously by his endlessly repetitive arguments which have been debunked and he has never successfully defended. He's a troll, so if you must respond (obviously, sometimes I can't resist), it just doesn't make sense to try to reason with him. Just wind him up a bit.
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Thank you, Vulgar One
It's the courtesy and good manners, not to mention savvy four letter intellect and historical literacy of the Obamateur's that has so impressed me these months.
You do what you WANT. That's your perogative. Mine is that I choose not to make another emotional investment in what is clearly now a landslide loss for the Dems (with Congress, the majority of Governorships and of course 3 SCOTUS appointments along with it.
See,you think people are just picking on you because you're a big Ahole. It's not true. We ARE older and smarter and know better and have already been there and done that.
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@Dubmanny
In the general, Barack Obama will get 90% of African-American votes nationally. Any candiate getting 90% of ANY group is truly remarkable.
The Democratic candidates have always gotten 90% of the black vote. That's why we would win urban areas and they win suburbs.
But it's not enough. Particularly won't make a hell's bit of difference in solidly Republican states like the Carolina's, Georgia and other places where the blacks have their biggest numbers. There's lots of blacks; but there's still more religious rightwing and now growing hispanics.
If he can continue to deliver virtually all of a huge group like African-Americans, he could pull it out with that group and the lefty-left bullseye of educated, liberal urban whites and students.
Sorry, no. Again, in 2004 we won the college districts of all states, even Idaho. We won 90% of the AA vote. So did Dukakis.
That's what was so promising about HRC; she was wildly popular with hispanics (unfortunately Obama isn't liked by them whereas McCain is) , extremely popular with constituents we'd been losing; namely the elderly and blue collar whites.
This isn't good. Isn't good at all. And the GOP hasn't even started on Obama. I fear you are all going to find out real fast why they worked so hard to make sure he was the nominee. Please don't kid yourself they weren't involved.
I'm sorry but Obama as a nominee truly was the worst possible outcome.