Letters to the Editor
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Hillary is going to win!
All she has to do is get the very ultra fair primaries in MI and FL to count, and then convince the superdelegates that even though, after cheating, she is still behind in every measurable way, she will bring the party together. All she has to do is point out that all of Barack's wins are meaningless caucus and red states, and that her states should count for more, and that white people will never vote for Obama, because there are just a ton of racists in the Democratic party. Also, she could point out that her financial supporters are respectable businessmen, while Obama's are all from the elite ultra liberal far left wing latte sipping moveon.org George Soros egg headed intellectual angry mean cynical wing of the Democrat party.
Because that's the only way the party will come together in November.
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cynical
I humbly beg your forgiveness, I was wrong about all that Caesar business.
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Renegade Iconoclast
Spare us the dumb tooting tin horn of your divisive bombast.
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Manos
Read it again. Laugh. It's satire. I'm on your side, down to the wire.
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@John McCall
"I think it's quite the opposite. Both are strong candidates, and both are quite unique. We had the first woman and first African American to run for President. That's huge, and that's powerful.
Further, a record turnout refutes your point decisively."
Ok, I take your point, I wouldn't say that my point is refuted decisively.
Over the past several primaries, the % splits in demographics, ethnicity and polulation density per candidte have been consistent and unwavering. Clinton maintians the same % of white, working class and rural voters. Obama gains the same % of African American, affluent and educated. 90% of African Americans vote for Obama, 60% pf Whites for Clinton. Same splits every primary. I think, in fact the splits and percentages were identical in both Indiana and North Carolina meaning the biggest indicator of Obama's or Clinton's success now is the percenatge of African American Democrats in a given state. Neither candidate can efectively eat into each other's base and it is the demographics of a state that is the biggest determining factor. It is obvious that these candidates have strong and clear dividing lines and it goes beyond their performances in a given state.
Plus, when such large percentages of either candidate's supporters say they are not inclined vote for the other candidate in a general election, does that not suggest that neither Obama nor Clinton is able to cross over and attract voters from the other's base?
I think they have to be on the same ticket at the least.
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I'm not a big fan...
...Of the new huge talking point for both sides being race, all of sudden. It's downright disgusting when people claim that Obama is only winning because of race. And I'm not a big fan of hearing a continual stream of racial statistics from us Obamanauts, either. Black, white, 20%, 40%, 80%, 90%, whatever. I don't want to hear it anymore.
And Clinton fans: I have always supported Obama; and I never liked Hillary much. And I have left bunches of comments on these forums. But I don't like the abundance of conspiracy theories going on these here, especially in the last few days... It's true -- I don't like Hillary much. Period. But whether she was winning or losing, I never felt the need to say, "Oh, she's only winning because of [insert crazy reason/racist or sexist thought/obscure statistic/convoluted bizarre plan that Hillary would never actually attempt in real life]. Okay? When she was winning, she was winning. And now she's losing. Got it? And I know plenty of crazy Obama supporters who would do the same thing if Obama was losing right now: "Oh, HILLARY'S only winning because of crazy conspiracy theory X, Y, Z." Enough. I'm sick of it.
Support Hillary; root for her to stay in; admire her moxie; her persistence; her experience; whatever. There are plenty of reason to like her. I, personally, feel like she was an okay candidate who got streamrollered by a great candidate. But whatever. You probably feel differently about the whole thing.
But enough, from both sides, of the conspiracy theories. It's childish and undignified, and I'm sick of having to wade through pages of them to get to the actual real comments.
thanks,
Oliver
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@Dubmanny
I overstepped using "decisively". And yes your point is valid right now. But in fairness to the situation, I believe that those people who were behind Clinton will get behind Obama for the general election.
Let's remember that historically, the Republicans have always won the white vote since the 60's. So we can't expect miracles there. What I think will happen, and forgive me for playing pundit here, is a white unifying VP will be chosen that balances that side of the Democratic base, and cuts into the Republican base. Probably a white male, although Hillary is not out of the question. However if she's chosen I think she's just going to get killed by the Republicans, who've been licking their chops since she started running. (Remember, Barack didn't attack Hillary much if at all, but the Republicans won't be so tender on her). not to mention she's very very polarazing, and that's not what you want in a VP. You want a unifier.
Further, I think we're going to see a new Obama against McCain. "The gloves will come off". There is plenty to attack, and Barack is deadly with his punches because he's so precise. He was not able to hit Hillary much because they agree on 95% of the issues. And the man can be very persuasive. We all thought JFK's speeches were good, but just wait till Obama gets his stride. On issues, he's absolutely dangerous. Witness the gas tax debate. News is starting to trickle in he clocked her with that one.
Finally, I think we're going to see a huge cross-over. Not only will Republicans vote for Barack, but we're going to see a wide spectrum of people come out for him. And why? His charisma, his ability to unify the base and beyond, is the most powerful weapon in the race. To a certain extent, the population has been inoculated against swiftboating. And Barack will have a very powerful army behind him. People who have stayed silent will begin to speak up, such as Al Gore, John Edwards, and so on. They can't speak right now but they will when the time is right.
I do believe that there's a lot of hurt feelings still, as evidenced by the posts here, but with the right public argument and some time it will heal.