Letters to the Editor
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@Shapiro
"Oblivion"?
Really?
I would wait until after the general in November before making any predictions of HRC drifting off to "oblivion".
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oh, hutman
Dear X --
Oxford Concise says oblivion is act of forgetting or being forgotten.
Yeah, editors write the heds but reporters write the ledes; take another look at the story.
I don't recall Shapiro ever, ever writing anything vaguely pro-Clinton, though he has on a few occasions managed some balance.
Now, get back in your cave!
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@ billcap
billcap: "What the "overwhelming evidence" has shown is that nearly half the party prefers Hillary--hardly showing she's out of touch with her base. And that "nearly half" is skewed downward greatly by the monolithic black vote. So let's cut the garbage on how she's some sort of whacko as far as the party is concerned, or how the party has solidly "rejected" her, or how Obama has swept to some sort of dominating victory.
Damn shame that I'm the only one who caught this. HRC has made this very point in the past, and it smacks of racism. In other words, the polls and votes are skewed and can't be an accurate measuring stick because they include the votes and opinions of (gasp!) black people!
How is the black vote not a base of democratic backing? It's this same type of offhanded racism spewed by Bill with his Jesse Jackson references earlier in the campaign and reiterated by Hillary that so disgusted many black voters.
The ability of so many whites to think themselves so superior never ceases to amaze me.
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@Wombat
Wombat: "Oxford Concise says oblivion is act of forgetting or being forgotten."
I'll concede the point. But it does seem to me that the word is aimed at Clinton's presidential chances, not at Clinton herself.
Wombat: "Yeah, editors write the heds but reporters write the ledes; take another look at the story."
Damn, you're right. I guess I oblivioned the lede.
Wombat: "I don't recall Shapiro ever, ever writing anything vaguely pro-Clinton, though he has on a few occasions managed some balance."
Shapiro wrote very glowing praise about Clinton's final statements in the debate the week before Texas/Ohio (the "change you can Xerox" debate -- I believe in Austin). His praise was well beyond anything I thought objective -- Clinton's final statements, to me, didn't seem in the least bit inspiring. She spoke about how she'd visited a veteran's hospital and met with some of the amputees and other wounded servicemen. But she had no point, other than "I visited me some military people, yo," and the whole thing rang a little false for me considering that she had voted to authorize the war that led to their wounds.
Early in the race, Shapiro also piled on with the John Edwards "$400 haircut" nonsense. Ever since then I haven't trusted him much. His recent articles haven't been bad in terms of revealing bias.
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Miracle Ink
excellent point! I'm really burned out on people suggesting that
1) black people are "racist" to vote for Obama. Give me a break!
2) black people don't count as a core constituency of the Democratic party. Or should somehow be discounted when counting Obama's wins. Should Clinton's blue collar white voters also be, similarly, discounted?
It's depressing to see this kind of attitude coming from presumably white Democrats. Please, Clinton supporters, remember that African Americans were 90% in approval of Bill Clinton in his worst days of impeachment, while white people only supported him with 50% approval ratings. So please stop disrespecting the votes and opinions of American citizens in your own party just because you don't like the candidate they are currently supporting.
It hasn't done Clinton's campaign much good to do this, and it only can cause permanent damage to the party long term if we cannot be united beyond our particular racial and gender identities and instead vote according to our common policy goals, and for the good of the nation, in November.
peace.
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@dolores
Not to mention the fact that Hillary's wins are all on the basis of the old white woman vote. Should we denigrate the importance of that demographic ?
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hotrod
no, let's not denigrade that demographic. I know there are hurt feelings on both sides, but we need all of us to create a tent big enough for everybody.
I hope everyone is willing to help widen the tent. Make room. Be kind. Offer coffee and maybe somebody order some chocolate & vanilla ice cream with biodegradable spoons for all.
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Obama is something like Jesus
in that his most signature qualities- poise, decency, refusal to stoop to nastiness- seem not to rub off on a large segment of his fan base.
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NC White Woman here...
... and I voted for Obama, but don't mind me. According to multiple people here, I don't exist.
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Obama could settle this
The best way for Obama to soothe the feelings of Hillary's supporter is to pledge a way to seat the delegates of Michigan and Florida. It would demonstrate a decency and self confidence that should set well with all her people. If he doesn't, I don't see a happy ending to this.
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Miracle Ink
ah yes Miracle Ink,
The can't get there fast enough racist ploy.
billcap: "What the "overwhelming evidence" has shown is that nearly half the party prefers Hillary--hardly showing she's out of touch with her base. And that "nearly half" is skewed downward greatly by the monolithic black vote. So let's cut the garbage on how she's some sort of whacko as far as the party is concerned, or how the party has solidly "rejected" her, or how Obama has swept to some sort of dominating victory.
"Damn shame that I'm the only one who caught this."
No, you're just the only one who thinks stating a fact is racist.
"it smacks of racism"
no it smacks of truth. Your post, however, smacks of idiocy
"Obama In other words, the polls and votes are skewed and can't be an accurate measuring stick because they include the votes and opinions of (gasp!) black people! How is the black vote not a base of democratic backing? "
So your argument is that 100 percent of the 90 percent black vote that voted for Obama would not vote for Hillary if Obama were not running. Because that is the only way you can argue that the monolithic black vote doesn't "skew" Hillary's popularity among democrats, that she'd still only be running at 50 percent among democrats. Except, of course, that all the polls showed before Obama announced, and even after he announced but before he proved himself a viable candidate, Hillary was pulling well over 50 percent of the black vote, which would make her very popular among dems (you know, since dems include, gasp, black people). In other words, while she is not "preferred" by blacks over Obama (and I defy you to rationalize a 90 percent monolithic vote as having nothing to do with race, please--explain that one) that doesn't make her unpopular among them. Or does that make your brain explode because it has to hold more than two thoughts at the same time?
You can't with a straight face argue that Obama getting 90 percent of the black vote is simply measuring the popularity of his positions or his campaign or whatever non-race item you want to pull up. Let's see, the last dem to pull over 90 percent of the black vote in primaries? Um, Jesse Jackson. Yep, must be purely coincidental. 90 percent is a reflection of his positions and viability being such that race can justifiably be used as a reason to vote for him. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that--if you can get either the white candidate or the black candidate and they are roughly the same, why in the world wouldn't a black vote for the first black President? Because we haven't had enough white ones? Same argument applies for women voting for Hillary, though they aren't doing it as monolithically.
"It's this same type of offhanded racism spewed by Bill with his Jesse Jackson references earlier in the campaign and reiterated by Hillary that so disgusted many black voters."
No, it's the same scream of racism whenever someone mentions race instead of when racism actually rears its ugly head that is so disgusting.
The ability of so many whites to think themselves so superior never ceases to amaze me.
a) I don't consider myself superior to blacks, which would indeed be racist. I consider myself superior to idiots like yourself, which makes me correct
b) I'm not surprised you're continually amazed; people who seemingly can't read or compute or think often are
which is a long-winded fact-based response to your accusation that I'm a racist, which really only deserves what the answer most such accusations deserve on these boards--go screw yourself.