Letters to the Editor
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pathfinder1
I can sort of see Florida. Sort of.
But Michigan?
Obama and Edwards, the other two big names at the time, weren't even on the ballot. That she won there is the equivelant of bragging that you won a footrace between yourself, a dead man and a coma patient.
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Well...
Same old news. Oblivion for Clinton means going back to be the Senator of New York; not too bad a defeat unless her campaign has cost her more than we're led to believe. And Phantom delegates my ass, rules are rules (as stupid and arcane as they may be) or everybody gets a do-over which is retarded. I know, split the delegates from MI and FL between the candidates and Obama wins the nomination. How about that stupid idea? It's time to return the pantsuit to the senate superidiots, what the hell are they waiting for? Divided we fall.
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This thread
First, the postings started out very moderate, highlighting the benefits of each candidate, balancing them against the numbers.
Then the knives come out.
Come on people, I know we're all very passionate about this, but let's not forget that the person to beat here is McCain and the right wing, which has driven our country into the ground these past eight years.
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Night Lands Clinton closer to oblivion
I challenge anyone out there with this doom and gloom demise attitude about Hillary Clinton, SHOW ME THE MATH! If there is someone who can add and come up with the magic number of 2025 for either candidate, then I might consider this article correct. Obama has refused to allow FL and MI votes to stand as is even though his name was on the ballot with Hillary. Obama's obstructionist tactics are whats preventing either candidate to reach the mark. If these two states are disenfranchised, the general election will be handed over to John McCain. Obama still is unable to get the middle class white vote. How can you win with college kids who are usually not the dependable voter.
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she should stay in as a safety net
i agree that clinton has now lost barring some cataclysmic event for the obama candidacy. nevertheless, i think she should stay in for the last primaries, running a strictly positive campaign and hanging around to make sure that the bottom doesn't fall out from under obama for some reason. i also think it's important to assuaging her voters that she finish the race before she bows out.
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Michigan
Taliesan
Smarter that the average candidate.
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Oblivion?
I know it's only a headline, but it's a pretty unkind headline. Unless WS knows something about HRC planning to quit politics and go live under a rock if she doesn't get the nomination, it's a safe bet her next stop will not be "Oblivion." She's a popular and effective U.S. Senator, etc.
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Oblivion and oblivious
Hillary is oblivious how irrelevant she has become. Will somone tell her to get on her broom and get the hell out of race? Does she not know how to count? or is the shameless wretch still trying to overthrow the legitimacy of Obama?
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Oblivian
If Clinton is denied the nomination it will be because of the action taken by Howard Dean the president of DNC.
And if she is denied, I for one will vote for the Republican nominee who ever that may be.
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various
"the overwhelming evidence suggests that HRC is out of touch with the best of her base"
Once again, the overstatements come fast and frequent. If the "overwhelming evidence" is that the person who barely trails as a percentage of popular vote is "out of touch", what does that make your candidate--only slightly, barely, a teensy-weensy out of touch? This sort of blanket, yes, out of touch, statement is exactly what continues to ensure bitterness between the two camps. What the "overwhelming evidence" has shown is that nearly half the party prefers Hillary--hardly showing she's out of touch with her base. And that "nearly half" is skewed downward greatly by the monolithic black vote. So let's cut the garbage on how she's some sort of whacko as far as the party is concerned, or how the party has solidly "rejected" her, or how Obama has swept to some sort of dominating victory.
Same for the silliness on how she's going into "oblivion" or is going to lose her Senate seat
"How exactly is the most hated woman in America, who has lost the nomination, the states, and the popular vote, the most electable candidate? The Democrats didn't elect her for their own primary. They elected Obama"
a) and your empirical evidence that she's the most hated woman in America? (guess what--America isn't your living room
b) and the argument that because Obama won the primaries making him the most electable by definition is just the usual simply, shallow thinking. See Presidents Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, et.a. Obviously one can lose the Dem. primary and not necessarily be the best general election candidate. One needn't think Hillary is better to see the shallowness of this argument
c) as for why one might think she's more electable, again, one needn't necessarily be for Hillary or against Obama to realistically note she seems to have a better chance in states like Fl., OH, and PA. Obama does would do better in other states but personally I don't see his good states matching up electoral vote-wise with her good states. Obama's general election "strength" is clearly masked as well by his monolithic 90 percent black vote, which makes his victories over Hillary large but don't come close to translating to the same effect in a general where Dem. candidates get close to that every Presidential election.
"She sacrificied the last 6 years of her life told the sole goal of becoming President"
yes, how awful to be a U.S. Senator. What a sacrifice. And how apt you are to pity her for it, as clearly your life is so much more influential, so much better. Not to mention of course that you can read her mind and "know" that it was a sacrifice and her sole goal. Guess that's why you can pity her--you must be God, omniscient and all
"witch" "bitch"
yep, didn't take long for the misogyny to fly either. There's a shocker. Keep up the "unity"
and not long for the race-baiting canard either of course
and Obama as a tsunami?
a) poor choice of metaphor after the recent news
b) more evidence of over-hype that hinders Obama rather than helps him. He's hardly been a tsunami in this process, please
At the least, at this point, Obama should offer Hillary the VP. Even if it's a pre-arranged offer and refusal. She's earned it by winning nearly half the party and their demographics work well together. Months ago I would have argued against it but now I think it's the best way to unify. I don't think she'd take it and wouldn't understand why, but if she wants it, she should be offered it. Better yet, offer and reject and work together. No, she shouldn't be a Supreme Court justice--too old. Any dem. President who nominates someone over 45 to the Court should be flogged. We don't win elections often enough to sacrifice a few decades.
and anybody who thinks this long campaign was bad for the dems hasn't paid attention to Obama's stump speeches lately, where he's gotten much more down-to-earth and focused on lower middle-class issues. Not to say he hadn't thought of them but he hadn't been speaking of them. "Change" is too airy, too vague when you're having a hard time putting gas in your car and food on the table. More dems registered, more news coverage, bad "issues" becoming "old" issues (flag pins, wright,e tc), a better candidate. It's good he didn't close the deal, makes it more likely he will in Nov.