Letters to the Editor
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Vote Nader
If you don't like coporate control over your candidates, friends like rev. jeremiah wright, and weekly lies (bosnia sniper fire, "I didn't <<fill in the blank>>" ), then you should vote Nader.
http://www.votenader.org/
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We've been through this
There is a difference between being ahead in pledged delegates and getting the few you need to get to 2025 (which I believe is erroneous, since it seems like MI and FL were never removed from this benchmark - classical Dean eff-up) compared to getting 250-300 vote bump by party insiders.
It is legal, but the result would be a PR nightmare. It's apples:oranges.
Look - do what you like, but just be damn sure you don't lose the party's base for the next 25 years. OK?
At the end of the day I think we all agree that this is desirable.
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Bagging on the Youth Vote is a Cheap Shot
These are not the "notoriously unreliable" kids of yesteryear. Their enthusiasm is infectious, their arguments are well-informed, and they seem to have a more media-savvy comprehension of how the last eight years have played out than most other dems.
I am sick to death of watching the boomers confuse their self-entitlement and cynicism for "being sensible." The identity politics crap that they've indulged in has been screwing the DFL over for years now and the kinds of politics they respond to make the rest of us deeply ashamed. I don't need to look at statistics to know Hillary supporters are clueless and out of touch. I can look at the garbage they produce all over the place online.
I have never seen an intelligent argument for Hillary.
The electability argument is bunk. There is no way in hell 28% of Hillary's supporters are voting for a pro-life candidate who's on record calling his wife the "c" word and she has zero, no she has negative crossover appeal likely to spill out to independents whereas Obama appears to be picking up legit votes from Republicans who want change. And no, that's not spin on my part. Operation Chaos made it clear who the GOP would prefer to have McCain run against.
She has demonstrated a complete and total lack of intellectual and ethical integrity throughout the course of her campaign whereas Obama has mostly avoided all of the shenanigans that have characterized the worst of it even when given the opportunity to join the media hogpiles. All of his "negative" campaigning has been in the form of counterpunches to her attacks. He has never added his voice to nonsubstantive or petty issues like the lies she keeps getting trapped in.
She's demonstrated lousy management skills. This whole idea of having conflicting voices build good compromise within your own campaign that she's supposedly taken from Lincoln's cabinet strategy appears to have turned into more of a Jimmy Carter model where her campaign can't seem to decide what to do next. So instead it makes the same mistakes it's been making over and over again hoping for new results.
She is out of touch. What was she thinking revving up the Rove-style attack machine in a democratic primary? Did it occur to her that we've actually been having a great deal of discussion as to how the hell we lost to a jerk like Bush? Twice?! Did they stop to think that not maybe democrats have been adverse to such tactics from the very beginning which might explain why we underestimated their impact on the GOP, losing two elections to an underachieving charlatan? How about the 40% who voted for Bush who now disapprove of him? Do you think after smarting from the consequences of their own decisions that maybe they're thinking a little bit harder about what kid of politics they respond to?
She is not winning. PA was expected to be her state by 25, then 20 then silence and now 10ish, I guess. She went broke winning it by 8-9% which I admit is more than I would have liked to have seen (hats off to her campaign for even that much) but it doesn't change the fact that even if she had enough campaign funds for three more battles, she is no longer in friendly territory and a handful of delegates changes nothing.
Obama can't close the deal? Obama needs to go for the jugular? He just did!
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Hillary can't close the deal
Walter misses the obvious headline. Clinton trailed 150 delegates, she only got 10 in Pennsylvania. There is no way she can win. Z.
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Stop whining about rounding...
If some of you all are so concerned, the let's go back and review all the results to make sure they were rounded properly, ok? I'll wait....
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Pantanal
Large segments of Pennsylvania's residents are yobos, rednecks and bigoted. This is a state were words like "colored", "boys", and worse, are often used in reference to African-Americans.
What a tired and boring argument...If voters don't follow your Pied Piper they must be racist...Once again when 90% of the Black voters check off Obama on the ballot we call them enlighted, but if your White and vote for Hilary you're a racist hick...Fuck you're ignorant...
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Interesting, Sitka
"According to NPR and other sources, some 160,000 Republicans changed their voter registration to Democrat in order to vote in the closed Pennsylvania primary.
While I am certain some of those individuals sincerely changed parties, many likely did so to alter the outcome of the election (who can forget Rush Limbaugh encouraging his listeners to support Clinton in Texas).
Though I do not know if it is possible to determine how the majority of these 160,000 voted, we should nonetheless keep in mind that Clinton, according to the unofficial results at the Pennsylvania Department of State page, won by 193,701 votes.
If we assume (and I believe it is a safe assumption), the majority of these Republicans (and that is what they still are despite their current registration status) voted for Clinton, then her margin of victory among true Democrats in Pennsylvania is much smaller than the election results indicate.
-- sitka0230
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Thanks for pointing this out. I found this at the NPR web site:
"Voter turnout was high throughout the day. The primary was open only to Democrats. About 10 percent of voters changed their party affiliation to participate, according to the exit poll data. About half of those who had switched had been registered Republicans, while the remainder had not been affiliated with either party."
NPR has been known to make a mistake now and again. Still, ten precent would be approximately 800,000 voters state-wide. And, as much as I despise Rush Limburger, he has the most popular radio show in the entire country. Maybe his dittoheads played a significant part in Pennsylvania.