Letters to the Editor
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The last Hurrah
Yeah, this was a last chance for Hillary supporters to talk about winning the election. So, when they sober up, they are going to need to face facts. The only way Hillary Clinton can get the nomination is if she gets the superdelegates to go against the popular vote and the pledged delegate count. Is she so ambitious that she will risk turning the party of democracy into a party of ologarchy?
The votes are turning out as predicted. No suprise that she won PA and the margin she won it by but the predictions are that she will not overtake Obama in the coming primaries. It's time to put aside personal ambitions and focus on bringing change to Washington.
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This will not divide us at the convention
It is a mistake to say this is hurting our party. Every state deserves a chance to get their voices heard, especially since we have 2 superstars running. Stop saying Hillary should drop out. She should keep running until all votes are heard. I am a very strong supporter of Hillary's, but if she were somehow forced out, without hearing from the rest of the country and at least figuring out something to do with Florida, I will always feel Obama has gotten in underhandedly and illegitimately. You don't want that hanging over our head in November, because I guarantee you that will turn off her supporters and keep them home. Let the process play out fairly, afterall we are supposed to be the good guys, the democrats, the people that don't disenfranchise voters. If after all races are finished and he is the winner, he will then have my complete support. But he won't have it if somehow the process is aborted prematurely.
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She hasn't won anything
She got 9 percent more than Obama in a state where most people don't even own passports and still refer to African-American as "colored". By beating him by 9 points in a state where she should've beaten him by 40, she lost the delegate count and now cannot under any legitimate circumstances win the nomination. She's now running for the sole purpose of handing the presidency to her crazy pal McCain so she can run against him in 2012. In spite of all the hoopla in the event Traister reports about, she actually suffered a defeat last night.
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No, she still can't
Sorry to disappoint the good staff of SalonForClinton.com, but Clinton just enjoyed her last success, a very marginal one at that. She's still #2 in a two-person race, with no chance of closing the gap, after disgracing herself by running a disgusting and absurdly incompetent campaign.
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@david s
"but Pennsylvania was too Catholic, too low class, too bigoted, to stupid and too old-womanish to vote to escape the pig-sty they are used to"
As they say in spanish: El pez muere por la boca.
"A fish dies by its mouth."
Good luck with that in the general. The GOP should look to your post and use it in an ad about the "Elitist Liberals" of the Democratic Party. I certainly would, lol.
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@david sugarman
ALG2008 may be speaking for Hillary supporters, but if so, he's doing it ironically. His post isn't meant to be taken straight.
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Ridiculous
Could Salon at least PRETEND to have some objective journalists on the payroll?
Yes she can what? ALMOST win?
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thanks, Christopher1988
i guess i'm too mad about last night to think clearly (that's my excuse and i'm sticking to it). oh well, i didn't catch the sarcasm. my stupid (if there's a "my bad" there should be a "my stupid"). sorry alg, i don't despise you as infinitely as i did before (only in such amount as made me feel stupid)
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For Clinton supporters
At what point is continuing nothing but self-indulgence? Her new strategist just said something to the effect that she won't rely on any sort of "numeric metric" to determine who should be the nominee. Essentially, she is at the point where she is continuing with the hope that the votes won't be counted.
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@red_gti2000
your presence gives another reason to stop illegal immigration - they become legal and vote!
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Wow, *another* pro-Clinton article at Salon!
What the heck has gone wrong with this place?
PA was Mrs. Clinton's last chance to make up ground; she needed a landslide and she didn't get it. It seems as if she mathematically has no chance to win now unless they subvert the superdelegates.
I'm not all ga-ga over Mr. Obama, who's yet another militarist candidate, but he's head and shoulders over Mrs. Clinton to anyone actually "on the left".
How Salon can play this into a "victory" for Mrs. Clinton boggles my mind. Are you so determined to destroy the Democratic party and thus the nation and the world (can you imagine the havoc that four more years of Republicans will wreak?)?
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The Obliterator
Putting the negative campaigning aside, my problem with Clinton has always been her Iraq War voting record. I was almost able to let that go so as to not see another Republican in office. Her comment about totally obliterating Iran, however, has sealed the deal for me.
Whether she was pandering or genuine, I don't care. It was, on the one hand, a disgusting thing to say (and think), and on the other hand, an incredibly stupid thing to say.
We, as the electorate, need to punish our elected warmongers.
If Senator Clinton slimes her way to the nomination, I implore all those with true progressive values: WALK AWAY FROM THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Insiders like Clinton need to be taught the lesson that no one is entitled to anything.
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Open letter to Howard Dean
(Which I have by the way sent to him, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid today. Maybe you can too)
Senator Reid,
Please consider strongly suggesting to superdelegates to take the following path of action.
The remaining contests need to be a race for the TOP of the ticket. Period. The supers need to get with Obama and Hillary (privately) and put some serious pressure on them to reconcile into a joint ticket and "suggest" that any super delegate votes will only be awarded based on the presupposition that the other candidate will be given the VP slot on the ticket.
Any argument that either candidate could win nationally without the great majority of other's core constituency is foolish and risky. We cannot afford the risk of losing the White House in 2008. All Democrats agree on that. So I don't see how either of them has an electability argument at this point. They seriously need each other and the party seriously needs them to bury their differences and the divisiveness and agree to run together.
This solution doesn't stop the remaining races, it refocuses it and improves it. The big problem that is tearing everyone apart and making the decision for supers more difficult is that we are focusing on a winner take all approach. If Obama wins but can't sway her constituents, he loses in the general. Likewise, if Hillary is nominated despite lower delegate counts, we risk alienating too many Democrats and she won't pull his constituents in the general and she loses. THEY BOTH NEED TO RECOGNIZE THEY NEED EACH OTHER (AND EACH OTHERS CONSTITUENTS) AND GET FOCUSED ON THE GOOD OF THE PARTY IN NOVEMBER.
Senator Reid, if you have any influence, this is what you should consider doing and saying privately to our supers and encouraging them to have discussions with both candidates.
Please consider this.
Please copy this and email it or post it anywhere.