Letters to the Editor
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I you draw a big yellow smiley face on the Iraq war it all just comes up sunshine and kittens...
..or French toast and Clintons. I don't really know which, but use your imagination and let it take you to a happy place.
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But, Christopher1988, they demonize Hillary relentlessly at Dailoykos
while tossing out those who speak ill of Obama. But then, they know, as no one else does, the full evil of her feline-chomping ways.
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Stop mentioning kittens, Manos
You are making the vile hag Hillary hungry.
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I thought clinton supporters don't "whine"
Why have I heard them whining for months now and creating false narratives and bogus gossip heresay? Must have all been in my imagination. Those cult sexist your gay, posts over and over and over for weeks, by salon joan and the msm, must have all been in my imagination.
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hypocrite gop
Attack attack attack.
whine cry and complain when you don't get everything exactly your way, of if people force the street to run both ways.
you want to talk about people one knows? Does clinton have any questionable associations? hmm. let me think. Should I pull out santa's list with 5000 names on it? Does she get called on anything? you have it so rough clinton supporters. while obama and his movement has to do everything on our own, while you side with the gop rather than fight them, your whining and crying with hannity and rush. Where have you been the years we have been fighting the gop? the same place you are now. Right behind them.
Only works on old people and the out of touch. We must feel sorry for you for these whining tactics to work. We passed that bridge long ago. Many gossip heresay labels ago (that you tried to put on obama and patriotic americans). No one feels sorry or is buying it anymore gop, I mean clinton supporters. You burned any good will you've ever had.
My pirdiction for pa
70 -30 for obama. Write it down
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Gore endorsement
Does anyone here think that it is strange that Gore the two-term VP for Bill Clinton has not endorsed the wife of his former boss?
Don't you have to ask yourself why, Richerson,Reich,Axelrod and other people that were in the cabinet and worked on the Clinton campaigns are siding with Obama.
I beleive Robert Reich gives us some inside coop on the Clintons and their tactics. "Reich to endorse Obama." Check it out. nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/04/heilemann
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cythera45
There's a simple solution to the situation, don't feed the Clintons when you're on vacation.
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Rufus 11
Rufus how could you possibly predict Hillary 70 Obama 30.
Hillary has never won by these margin, not even in her own state NY. Her biggest win was the small state of AK. Even in OH she only has a 10 pt win, but the delegate count did not work out in in the same percentage because Obama won in the high population areas.
I predict Hillary 53, Obama 47.
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Subtle sexism
Walter is no Hillary fan. His article is riddled with subtle sexim. However Hillary supporters note. Your candidate goes from acting tough one day, to using the "gentle" gender card the next.
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Nutter is right..
Lost in the jungle of these blogs about Clinton ruthlessness and anti-Clinton sexism; the people that matter just want to hear four words:
I will fix this.
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One comment deserves response:
"Nice post, Proud Texas. Unfortunately, Obama followers don't know how to think. If you've seen the interviews with the women from the recently raided LDS polygamist compound, the similarity of mindset and behavior is striking."
A few months ago, an article popped up about how supporters of Obama and Clinton were starting to dehumanize their "opponents". Well, this is a prime example right.. here. Comparing the supporters of another candidate for your own party's nomination to the members of a depraved fundamentalist sect? That's not only ludicrous, its irresponsible and destructive. I know the comfort of relative anonymity removes all restraints on sentiments like yours, but maybe you should think some more about what you write.
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@folks
rufus11, i just found xeroid47 racist. i know it's an overly common call, but that's how i see it. cythera45, i didn't know you were so funny! i think you are one of those who despair brings it out - a tragic clown, Pagliacci! Hhatchet, i really wondered WHY Reich picked NOW. the ads were really no worse than usual. i think he's just getting off a sinking ship.
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@bernbart
rufus had it the OTHER WAY! Obama OVER Hillary 70/30. what did you pick? NOTHING, just the conventional MSM numbers, why post them at all? i think it'll be Obama 51, Hillary,48 (doesn't add to 100). it's a guess. something if i had a buck would shoot one for.
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GIVE OR TAKE A FEW POINTS. Let's not split hairs here. :)
What are bush's approval ratings again? What is the gop's ratings on every major issue, vs teh democratic party, again?
Clinton has lumped herself witht he gop. Think congress sweep in 06. That will be clinton in pa. After the embarressment she will drop out because it's going to happen in every state here on out.
Not to mention the superdelegates about to swarm to oabama. Stop the sabotage gop. You have your candidate. Let's see who teh american people want. Quit the one party (two sides to the same gossip fascist coin) sabotage and trumpet your candidates pros. Your coming off as sad patheic BITTER old men and women. think abou tthe future. Think about the big picture. You had your cahnce at governance. how many like the way america is going now? Clinton/bush/bush/clinton. Time for a change, in a mjor way. Don't be sacred old people. Change is constant. to not change is to be dead already. We can't live in 1955 forever. The future is now. I want jet packs. :)
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Yes on All Counts, Baloo
First of all, amen to keeping it sane, clean and dignified. We for the most part do that anyway -- and you just can't account for lunacy from any quarter on the 'net. These things will happen. They will also happen when people feel attacked. Learning to not react is a fine art. This is something else I really admire about Obama.
Now about that direct talking with Iran, etc., or as the antagonists call it, the "Neville Chamberlain approach." OK, that's why I throw J. Krishnamurti in their faces instead of good old acid. Anyone can look at the past and find some reason not to do something. Hell, long before 9/11/01 (there have actually been other 9/11s before and since -- I checked my calendar) there was the Lakehurst disaster. "If God had intended us to fly...". So one thing goes wrong and it is forever branded as wrong-headed and stupid. Actually I believe Obama's stated intention to sit down with these people would be a bit intimidating for them, as they have never had an opportunity to be directly cornered and disarmed rhetorically. Of course many of our leaders since the fall of the Shah would have been incompetent to perform such an act anyway. I feel certain having a diplomatic face-to-face with Obama would quiet things down fast, because a) he wouldn't be there to antagonize but to engage, and b) he's way too intelligent to fall for any BS and fall into bed with the first stranger he meets.
Meanwhile, Hillary's plan to create an organization of allied Arab states is far too grand and, more to the point, is psychologically flawed beyond redemption. It is the same old scheme to avoid the obvious while creating the appearance of "doing something." It's too much like a middle school (I almost said junior high, but that would give away my age) scheme to play a group (not really one's friends, just people who crave one's approval) to badger an individual one doesn't like and feels threatened by. It also ignores the possible interest any other, bigger, potential bullies may have in the matter (like Russia and China). In the end it's too cumbersome, too full of potential betrayals or screwups and it avoids the simple and obvious solution of walking up to the person in question and talking with him. If he's intransigent then we go to plan B, for which there are at least a hundred possibilities besides trying to play the dough-heads against the troublemaker (I wouldn't exactly call Iran a bully, just a pain in the butt so far; bullyhood needs to be nipped in the bud promptly, before it starts).
Clinton's plan for this is very much like her healthcare plan, which has had enduring negative ramifications which have prevented us us from solving this ever-more-serious problem for fifteen years now! You don't get anywhere by trying to politicize the obvious. Diplomacy isn't a lost art, it's an abandoned one, and Ms. Clinton's healthcare plan is a good example of precisely how not to go about achieving a desired result -- if, indeed, we even understand what the desired result really was (pleasing everybody can't pass for a plan).
Your Russia invading Mexico scenario is a perfect example of what we're talking about. (Of course the U.S. invading Mexico, now that's another story).
This administration does, indeed, have a hard-on for another war, and as a "fighter", Ms. Clinton may not be too averse to another one herself, as her "plan" would undoubtedly make one far more likely, even in unexpected quarters, as the various players would start jockeying for position and favor.
No, the Iranians are not Demons. Ahmadinejad may well be their version of Dubya, but I really don't think he's evil. He's just simple-minded. Besides, once that diplomatic fence has been breached, the real "leader" (Ayatollah Ali Khamenei) could perhaps be persuaded, at least by an Obama, if not a Clinton, to entertain an audience and I feel quite certain would be more inclined to at least engage with him. (Ahmadinejad is "only" the president anyway, and has no military command powers; he is little more than a mouthpiece).
Failing at all that, yes, I supposed one of the Plan Bs could be to just bomb them into the stone age, since apparently one really doesn't require permission for that anymore. Still, I'd rather we talked first.
This is where American idealism has stalled or to where it has regressed, really. I believe Ms. Clnton's plan is actually only a veiled version of the McCain "to the gates of hell" approach. He, at least, is frank in his backwardness. Hillary would cover it with a "plan" so grandiose, complex and juvenile, really, that it would appear to be a call to unity veiling a lit fuse. McCain, meanwhile, would just whip out the old Zippo and light the damned thing. At least we know where we stand with a guy like that. Sometimes crazy is the lesser of two evils. Still, given a third choice, why vote for either evil when there is a good to be had?
And finally, oh yes, I'm more than familiar with the Myers-Briggs typing (as well as the Gurdjieff-based enneagram, which yields a similar result when the answers are based on what one must assume). Either way you approach it, it's a scary deal.
Thanks for your thoughts. Let's just keep it real...real sane. Someday sanity will come back into fashion and we could be the coolest kids on the block again.