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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
"Iraq_vet...McBomb Is For You
Iraq_vet, from your obvious love of country and war without end, I suggest you openly support Senator McBomb for president. He will make sure you have plenty of opportunities to demonstrate your heroism.
-- dsigeorge "
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Amen to that! Vote McBomb and vote often!
I love G.I Joe dolls who post - they smell like napalm in the morning...they smell like victory... :)
Republicans have been specifically encouraging lower middle class voters to forget their own economic interest and vote out of bitterness for years.
They have been running messages like "You needed that job and they gave it to a minority" (actual Jesse Helms commercial) for decades.
But if a Democrat says that working class voters have been screwed and are bitter, it's a "scandal".
Guess what. Working class Americans know that they are bitter. Obama did not, unlike some commenting here, sneer about "mullets" or "dollar stores". He made an accurate and non-insulting comment about the people who most loyally supported the system that screwed them.
Are they starting to figure out that voting for someone who offers a solution is better than voting for someone who panders? It looks as if they may be.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/16/hillary-clinton-on-workin_n_97017.html
In January 1995, as the Clintons were licking their wounds from the 1994 congressional elections, a debate emerged at a retreat at Camp David. Should the administration make overtures to working class white southerners who had all but forsaken the Democratic Party? The then-first lady took a less than inclusive approach.
"Screw 'em," she told her husband. "You don't owe them a thing, Bill. They're doing nothing for you; you don't have to do anything for them."
The statement -- which author Benjamin Barber witnessed and wrote about in his book, "The Truth of Power: Intellectual Affairs in the Clinton White House" -- was prompted by another speaker raising the difficulties of reaching "Reagan Democrats." It stands in stark contrast to the attitude the New York Democrat has recently taken on the campaign trail, in which she has presented herself as the one who candidate who understands the working-class needs.
"I don't think [Obama] really gets it that people are looking for a president who stands up for you and not looks down on you," she said this week.
If I read your reply in the voice of a 13 year old girl, It makes much more sence. I understand now.
Hopefully your political puberty will embrace you soon and you can talk with the adults without breaking out in hives and running from the room.
Ciao bella
Wow, Greg buddy, go back on your Haldol and Lithium. Let's get you some green tea and an Ativan too! My head is still spinning from your paranoid litany! Hey, let’s play hide the WMDs again! No? How about Bigfoot vs. the aliens, I’ve heard tell from several well respected sources suggesting that aliens are cloning yetis in a secular region of Azerbaijan, dying them brown and signing them up for Al Qaeda in America. Once the yeti army is completed, they will join the other Al Qaeda in America personnel (John McSame, Holy Joe and Lindsey Graham) and plot a hold up of a San Diego 9/11.. I mean 7-11 and strangle the economy of a once greatly arrogant nation. Bigfoots love slurpies, did you know that?
Is it elitist when flannel-wearing, duck-hunting, rural democrats snicker and mock the values of the "san francisco democrat"? There is an obvious divide between the rural crowd and the latte drinking crowd (to use simple stereotypes) but the broader point is that we are trying to form a coalition within the democratic party. If we could all vote together without deciding that we "get" or agree with everything that the "other" stands for, then we might be able to change this country. How often have urban elitists gone along with a southern democrat nominee in order to build a coalition? Is the assumption being made here that the blue collar crowd isn't smart enough to make the same concessions and vote with people who are different from them? I will admit that I don’t “get” blue collar voters. I don’t get why someone would vote for policies and politicians that cause them to lose their farms and their jobs, only to ensure them that Larry and Bob can’t get married. Successful politics are achieved with compromise; it is about achieving the greatest good for the greatest majority of people, which involves a willingness to accept a broad alliance of values and principles. If we can accept our differences and vote together, I will accept the title of elitist any day and take that latte with soy milk, thank you very much.
i think cathammer's pretty funny. of course s/he and i are on opposite sides, but s/he's not personally hostile and didn't warrant yours, carter12. iraq_vet on the other hand, DOES. anyone who's in iraq and calls barack "hussein" seems ready to do abu ghraib.
greg neubeck is for Obama all the way. He is just being his satirical self
A lot of these guys
http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN1637276120080416?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
also contributed to Obama's campaign.
So, my dear "bitter" friends -- nuttin's gonna change.
Sad, but true.
Carters12; I'm all for anything that helps you cope. (I read your "Ciao Bella" in my Berlusconi voice!)
Thanks, David S. .....just don't be too sure which side I'm on. It's not a static thing.
Man, oh man... we're back at each other's throats again, eh?
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Before I say anything... I want to come clean as being a supporter of Sen. Obama.
I will also say, as I have before, that if Sen. Clinton is the eventual nominee of the Democratic Party, she will have my full support in the general election. This is something I believe none of us should lose sight of.
With that said...
I have gone back and read the full statement made by Sen. Obama in San Francisco. Not to single out posters like one called "SobeOne"... but when I read your words, I wonder if you've done the same. If you have, I wonder where you come from... where in the United States were you raised... and have you been around the country lately? Do you know what's going on out there?
What Sen. Obama said -- especially if you read and consider the entire statement -- has a lot of truth to it. It is difficult to deny. It was not insulting... unless you are insulted by the honesty of his words... because, it's true... the truth does HURT sometimes.
This was yet another instance where Sen. Obama finally had the courage to do and say what I have wished so many other "leaders" before him would have done or said.
I come from one of the communities Sen. Obama is speaking of. Much of my family still lives in Scranton, and Wilkes-Barre... back in the day members of our family worked in the mines... some became cops...
They still live and work there, to this very day... some own businesses in there ... in fact, Mayor Thomas M. "Tommy" Leighton, of W-B is a relative of mine.
(Note: Tommy's a supporter of Sen. Clinton... and that's just fine. That's his right and his choice... though, He IS a politician... and he needs to do what ever he needs to do to maintain his position).
The thing is... I have seen what a ghost town the city of Scranton turned into over the years. Much of that area of Eastern PA has looked pretty run down in recent years. And the people there ARE bitter. I'm bitter FOR them. I'm upset that members of my family have struggled there for as long as they have... wondering, for 25 years, when are the jobs going to come back? What has happened to the good life we once knew?
And yes, these bitter folks -- who are upset with what they've lost -- still find some solace in their faith, or their hobbies (like hunting). It keeps them distracted from the day-to-day doldrums... distracted from reality.
Sen. Obama is not perfect. I'm the first to say it. I don't love EVERYTHING he has said. But, honestly, who IS perfect? None of us are. None of the candidates are.
But, come on everyone... especially you folks who support Sen. Clinton (as I once did)... How can you continue to support a candidate who has so openly and blatantly lied to ALL of us, on so many occasions? And, to add salt to the wound, she has never admitted to her dishonesty... even when the TRUTH was caught on FILM!!!
Someone will win the nomination... and someone will lose. And, now that this word "bitter" is so dangerous, I'm afraid to say this...
But the bitter ones now appear to be those of us who have watched their candidate spiral further and further downward. I don't blame you for being disappointed... but, you SHOULD be disappointed. I am too.
I was once such a TREMENDOUS Clinton supporter... not just with my mouth, but with my money. Sometimes I feel like I've had a profound joke played upon me by the Clintons. I feel like I've been fooled. Perhaps you good folks feel the same way...
At first, I was "bitter"...
But thankfully I have found something BETTER.
We can ALL go from "bitter" to "better," if we could just remember what our ultimate, collective goals are.
Come on, everyone.
We need to rally.
We need to let go of the bitterness, get behind our best candidate, and win our country back in November.
The question is, can you swallow your personal pride for the common good of our country? I hope so.
Take care everyone.
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
219 Democrats and one Republican join in favor of the legislation, which passed by a narrow margin
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
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