I am have been suckered into the anti communist baiting that this country propagandized for many years because I grew up here and had no choice, but through my education and travels I have come to believe the Americans and world's real threat is the government of China. Take note all you 'So-called' Americans waving the damn commie flag of China you can go back to China or maybe Tibet and live where you claim it is so great. I almost can understand you wanting to support your people and families 'stuck' back in China but at whos expence? Those of Tibet, Burma, Mymamar and Sudan that is who.

Why do we embargo Cuba and not China.The hypocrisy is thick.

As a photojournalist and ex special forces soldier I know a few things about weapons. I covered a few arms conventions in South America and the Chinese are buidling a huge stockpile of numerous types of missles and who do you think they aim them at? The USA and Tiwan.

Go home communist and protest your rights in China. Oh what is that? you cannot do this without going to jail. So how in the hell do you want to protest China's right to use the olympics as a propaganda tool to show the world how civilized and modern they have become. They are neither civilized in the treatment of their own people nor are they modern in their treatment of other countries around the world where you suck out their resources much to the detriment of those folks with your left over mess of pollution and illness. This has been going on for far to long.

By waving the Chinese flage you betray your new neighbors here in the USA and you betray you own people slaving away back in the factories of China; the child laborers, political prisnors and the people of the countries you illegally invaded and support with your tainted money of blood. As far as I am concerned the damn country of China is our enemy now and in the future and we should not be so concerned with Islamists but with the communist. What is this communist partaking in the capitalist dream? Stalin, Che, Lenin and Mao are all rolling over in their grave. Or is it a sneaky way to take over the world and make us all slaves of the corporate structure that is quickly taking over every facet of our lives?

Note to all those American and European factory owners that want to ship our jobs to those nasty commies. You should have to live where your factory is...ie China. Boycott all things made in China and deport Chinese flag waving traitors and corporate CEO's in this country back to China where it is so great. You are both scum and you had better watch your back waving the freaken flag in my face.

I am sure some Chinese people came to the city on their own, to either support, or protest the Chinese government. But I can tell you I SAW buses of people with hundreds of Chinese flags. I HEARD many of these pro-Beijing screaming at the Tibetans that Tibet is part of China and calling them liars. I heard them claiming Tienanmen Square incident was a western lie to make China look bad. The waterfront was lined with Chinese flags and people who WERE bussed in. I am not saying they were forced to come and do this, but it is a fact. I am sure if you ask Rose Pak she will be proud to confirm this.

China's problems are first and formost, something to be sorted out by the Chinese and their neighbors. They are not the business of Christian Crusaders from afar with questionable motives. If you really must exercise your moral compass, working on your own issues first like wiretapping, Guantanamo and Iraq would be a much better way.

While I agree many people here, and elsewhere have a holier than thou attitude, that doesn't let the PRC off the hook. Especially for a country that was, in name, if it doesn't recognize it in spirit, owe its foundations to the lives and sacrifices of working people and peasants.

But again, due to the myopic coverage of China we often hear only vague rumblings about Western-oriented democracy activists. Tianemen Square is presented as some gushing love note to the West; the reality was considerably different (the ideologies and politics present amongst students ranged widely, from Western oriented, to explicitly Maoist, to anarchistic). No one ever mentions the wave of strikes, the crack down on leftist opposition. And thats because it doesn't fit a specific agenda of America, both its "liberals" (who are divorced from working class reality, here and abroad) and the right wing (who wants to view China as a monolith).

I hope to see both governments taken to account for ignoring labor.

Are you trying to say ... because their views are un-PC, they must be the puppets of Chinese government?

I spent quite a bit of time on the overseas Chinese forums. Most of them are students and ordinary working people that were p*ssed off about what they saw in London and Paris, and decided to come out and rally their support.

And they were not happy to hear the Chinese consulate actually advised AGAINST that. Consulate people did not want to make any waves - bureaucrats are bureaucrats, you understand.

Chinese Americans can think for themselves as much as anyone, thank you very much.

...that in their opinion Tibet is part of China and will always be part of China.

I saw more than a few yelling matches between protesters (no violence, just yelling) where the Chinese made their views clear.

One of the first posts here stated that Chinese Americans would support a free Tibet. I did not see that support at all. At least not from the thousands of Chinese holding huge Chinese flags. I do not think it was a 'rumor' that these people were bussed in, they were.

Gavin did not want a scene, it might hurt his political future if the news showed protests here that he could not control.

So instead he catered to them and gave them a photo opp with the Golden Gate Bridge and no protesters. I did not vote for him and won't in the future, and this is only one reason.