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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
The Clintons are not racists; they are opportunists. They don't care what it takes to win. As far as my own purity: poppycock. I'm fallible down to my toenails. Possibly beyond. But I know closet racists when I hear them. They play in B flat, and they b stupid. No one here knows anyone else. Kate could be a lobsterman from Maine for all I know. His/her/its perspectives are those indivisible from the crackers I used to serve at a bar in the Ozarks, where the unwritten motto was "women and coons are great; everyone should own at least one of each". That's verbatim. Why, might one think, did the solid (waste) south turn from guaranteed Democratic from the twenties on to guaranteed fascist now? Hint: legislation was passed in '64 and '65. Flip, meet flop. That's Katie, and phillips, and shawnie boy, and the rest of the pack of stale crackers. By their fruits shall ye know them. And I smell overripe okra. screw dixie.
"I suppose I am a racist too". you, Billy the Blowee and his Botox Bunny.
I don't beleive it, I absolutely beleive it is the Clinton campaign, but just suppose.
Now what?
Is that the end of the Democratic party?
I mean, how important is this to Democrats?
I don't have time to read all the letters--did you bring up CRT or did someone else?
Of course Obama injected race into the, um, race. He did this by having the temerity to be black. then, even worse, he put the White Queen into a fading second place. Some Murkans don't like that. Quelle surprise.
What's CRT?
Please do not mistake me. We're talking past one another, which (to me) is the root of our problems.
First of all, I haven't "bought into" the notion that Kate is a racist.
From what I've read, Kate demonstrates what I consider to be racializing tendencies. I am not suggesting anything about the core of Kate's being.
I do not know Kate.
Nor am I accepting the "reverse racism" of Pastor Wright.
This is not what I'm suggesting.
I'm suggesting that Pastor Wright is incendiary, especially to those outside of his own group, however you define it.
I'm suggesting the same thing about Kate.
I'm suggesting that the dynamics at work are the same, in so far as Obama is calling on us to talk to one another, regardless or who is or is not a racist, or who we think is or is not a racist.
"Somewhat like how easily the Clintons have been successfully painted as racists despite their decades of work to support civil rights."
False dichotomy. One can have worked for civil rights and be a racist, all at the same time. I'm not making a case one way or another regarding the Clintons, but intellectual honesty demands that you acknowledge that racism is an exceedingly complex phenomenon and not given to facile dichotomies such as the one you present. It's not either/or.
"What I have seen in monitoring these boards is that Kate is angry at Obama and his supporters for playing the race card and tarnishing the Clintons with it. And in that, I agree with her. So, I suppose I am a racist too."
I don't know if you're a racist or not, and part of my point is that frankly, I don't care.
I'm not here to accuse anyone of anything, just to be clear.
"You are perfectly free to mistrust her. After all, she is a Clinton supporter so by definition is untrustworthy."
No, I mistrust her because what I've read of hers suggests we're on such different pages I'm having trouble finding the common ground on which trust is built. I'm not speaking to her character, but to a huge difference in perspective.
Perhaps "mistrust" is too loaded. What I mean to say is that she's yet to earn my trust, based on the posts of hers I've seen.
"People like David, Tom, Manos etc., on the other hand, are totally justified in race-baiting, name calling, cursing, smearing, inciting, etc. because they are Obama supporters, and therefore, pure as the driven snow."
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"Look back over their previous posts. The most vile invective. I don't know Kate and I don't know you. I only know what I read. I thought you were sincere in your attempt to have a civil discussion about race, but your eagerness to label someone a racist reveals the phoniness of the Obama "ethos" of reconciliation. Truly disappointing, to say the least."
Ok, listen. I'm not "labelling" anyone a "racist." I'm saying that from my perspective things Kate says and how she says them strike me as something akin to what I would call racist.
It's my opinion. But so what?
I'm still making an effort to talk to her, racist or not.
Perhaps over time my opinion will change. For now, I'm suspicious of her and it's precisely that suspicion that I'm trying to address head on, through dialogue, rather than "retreating to my corner," as Obama puts it.
What's your problem with this?
"I am extremely disappointed in you for writing the above. I am a racist ONLY as defined by some of those posting on this site, those so filled with faux virtue that I sometimes want to scream. I know full well who I am, I know my faults and shortcomings. Racism is most definitely not one of them, so whale away, all of you."
First of all, I'm sorry that I offended you. Honestly. I'm not here to offend anyone.
One of the reasons I think we misunderstand one another is because your model of "racist" is a binary one.
One either is or is not a racist.
Mine is very different.
I see racism as a culture that permeates everything, at least in this country. Like Obama's grandmother, one can tap into racism without being some kind of klansman or cardboard cutout of a racist.
Black people are implicated in racism as well, both towards other black people, towards themselves, and towards white people.
It's extremely complex and I understand that it's painful for white people to even entertain the notion that they might be implicated in racism, despite their sincerest belief in racial equality, but it's necessary to drop the gloves if we're to advance.
What's happening here is a microcosm of the Pastor Wright episode.
Lots and lots of bruised feelings and misunderstandings and assumptions and indignation, but not much listening.
I'm trying to listen, honestly.
"This will not change my awareness of certain realities, no more than it will change that of millions of other decent people in this country being subjected to the typically damaging, acidic intellectualism which permeates the far left. I have the courage of my convictions and I will continue to stand by them."
I'm not asking you to abandon your convictions, btw. Maybe others are, but I'm not.
I'm just trying to understand them.
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