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Monday, March 31, 2008 12:00 AM

Barack Obama, working-class hero?

On a bus tour through Pennsylvania, Obama tries to impress blue-collar white voters. He'll need them to keep the state close in April -- or to win it in November.

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Monday, March 31, 2008 09:02 AM

@AncientAssyrian

"Hey Joan, Get back to work and stop posting as "lolcait"

that's all. Just a suggestion."

Oh boo hoo, you can dish it but can't take it. You and X Hutman and manos 99 posts Obama spin every day all day long and now you want to whine because lolcait posts Clinton spin? Poor you.

Monday, March 31, 2008 09:04 AM

mrsfxc

Which would hurt Hillary worse if it was true.

Why? This whole thing with Wright is playing out as an attack on black.

Without the black vote the Democrats lose the general.

Monday, March 31, 2008 09:05 AM

KStone

I thought lolcait supported McCain.

Monday, March 31, 2008 09:07 AM

Obama's shadow is 3 dimensional

Obama knows whether Schroedinger's cat is alive or dead. The square root of Obama is infinite.

Monday, March 31, 2008 09:08 AM

Anti-Obama votes

I have to admire McCain - he's made himself into everyone's "eff you" vote!

It amazes me that I hear so many Hillary supporters (20% is the figure that I've seen quoted) claim they'll vote for McCain if Obama gets the nomination. A lot of that is surely racist voters, and people who would end up voting for McCain over Hillary,but a lot of it is sour grapes. People have been honest about that given the level of rancor.

So, to those of you who fall into this latter category, ponder this. McCain might get to name a Supreme Court judge, which would tip the court for the foreseable future and finally lead to the overturning of Roe v Wade.

And maybe that is what we need in this nation. No one really sees how imminent the threat is, because this never seems to come to pass. Maybe when Roe is overturned we would see an end to such silly antics on the part of many Democrats. Maybe the "Security Moms" would stop voting Republican. Maybe people would stop voting for who they'd "like to have a beer with".

The GOP would die if Roe was overturned, so would it be the worst thing in the world? Especially since white Democratic women will have caused it via sour grape votes for McCain?

Would it not be poetic justice for such 'spoiler' voters?

Monday, March 31, 2008 09:11 AM

"Ritzy" private school??

On a scholarship and living with his grandparents in a 2 bedroom apartment. Is Punahou ritzier than Andover? How many posters here personally know someone who went to Punahou? (I happen to know two, both of Chinese heritage. I don't think they, any more than Obama, fit in with the white establishment of Hawaii.)

In my opinion, "Dreams from My Father" is well written. Did it all himself too, I believe.

Who was a president who was working class?

The point is not a candidate's origin, sex, race, etc etc etc.

The point for voters is which candidate they judge can connect with the issues that they perceive as important to them. (And it's not about chummy chummy beer drinking. Some people voted for Bush because they imagined he'd be more fun to have a beer with than Al Gore or John Kerry. How well has that turned out? Anybody get to have a beer with him? And how many would seriously vote for the friends they bowl with, barbecue with, drink with?) We don't want to be buddies with our president. We want a good leader who can get together a competent team to join her/him in the Cabinet. We want honesty and serious consultation with the people, also known as the Congress. One of the big failings of the Bush administration has been a refusal to deal with Congress coupled with an intolerance of dissent from advisors. Read Jack Goldsmith's "The Terror Presidency." Goldsmith is a lawyer who worked in the Defense Dept and then in the Office of Legal Counsel under Ashcroft. He is a self-described conservative and so his scathing description of the executive branch under Bush is all the more telling for not being partisan.

If Obama is smart he will be learning from the people of Pennsylvania as much as they learn from him.

Monday, March 31, 2008 09:12 AM

@ David sugarman

Oh my God, how harrowing. I'm so sorry you had to experience that.

That's Yonkers, for you. Violence all around. My experience there was similar, though I grew up on the other side, near Sarah Lawrence, Cross County and Bronxville. Bottles and taunts thrown from cars, harrassment on the street, harassment from cops, you name it.

It really was a broken place, filled with suffering, resentment and acting out.

Monday, March 31, 2008 09:15 AM

Electro Robot:

Obama is infinte

just as the bot is infantile

Monday, March 31, 2008 09:17 AM

Looking down on the working class...

Union contracts have much more in them than just employment issues. Again, delegation is the key here. So the parameter for being elected is that you're not merely any old lawyer, but a constitutional lawyer! That will certainly bring frowns to all the other types of attorneys crowding our legislatures.

Very good. Clinton's understanding of corporations put her on the cover of Fortune magazine. That is exactly what many people are afraid of. Actually, it looks to me like she is better qualified to be the General Counsel of Citigroup than President of the United States.

So you don't think non-lawyes and regular people understand the constitution? You think only constitutional lawyers understand the constitution? So why is the Supreme Court full of constitutional lawyers who it seems do NOT understand the constitution? The truth is there are different philosophise of the constitution, which all 'lawyers' do not agree on. It is politics, actually.

I think you have elitist and anti-democratic prejudices. From a "Democrat." That is why I trust your party so much. Experts are not ultimately going to change this system - only the people are going to do it.

Monday, March 31, 2008 09:17 AM

Xrandadu Hutman, these are the words of a poet, Louis MacNeice: "World is crazier and more of it than we think, incorrigibly plural".

For historical reasons, skin colour is still important in the United States but John Kerry, in promoting Barack Obama as a mediator between East and West, put forward a very facile point of view. Andrew Sullivan, who has a column in "The Sunday Times" (London) has been flogging the same idea for a considerable time i.e. that the hue of Obama's skin would endear him to the Muslim world. It doesn't seem to have benefited Condoleezza Rice in her dealings with intransigent people in the Middle East and, in my own country, people indigenous to these islands and with exactly the same looks (some better than others!) have sustained a fanatical hatred for each other which originated in religion and the "territorial imperative".

If Senator Kerry was able to point to something more compelling than skin colour in his advocacy for Senator Obama's ability to enhance American foreign policy, it might have been worth listening to but he didn't. The word "Muslim" is too tenuous anyway. The last time I looked at tv pictures of the Mahdi army in Basra fighting their fellow-Iraqis, I didn't think skin colour came into the equation. It is the age-old story whose plot involves the nexus of religion and territory, the latter exacerbated by oil-wells. Barack Obama is an American, first and foremost. His ancestry is interesting but not unique. Background is even more important. An example of this can be found in Europe where dark-skinned people of West Indian (Caribbean) ancestry do'nt often "get along" with African immigrants. The world is indeed "incorrigibly plural" and that is not necessarily a bad thing, unless difference is used to foment hatred and war.

As for John Kerry, I'd have liked someone with a bit of fire-in-his-belly in 2004 instead of someone like Kerry who turned tail and ran away, giving America and the world another four years of stupidity in the elected leader of the free world. John Kerry has endorsed Barack Obama? What a bonus!

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