Letters to the Editor
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@Madam book of oracles
Do not be at all surprised to find her on the ticket with McCain. Remember who said that first when that happens.
We will annotate the book of oracles with your entry
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Hillary's experience
The problem with Hillary winning on experience, which she may, arguably have more of. (It depends on how you count her years as first lady, a job that up to this year, has not been treated as a resume builder). But, McCain wins hands down.
If Hillary wins on experience, McCain can ream her on it. He unarguably has a lot more.
In fact, the election will be close and it will probably turn on an event. Say McCain gets a cold during the last debate and looks every one of his 70-odd years while Obama looks young and energetic. Hillary or Obama gets swiftboated.
The one difference between Obama and Kerry is that Obama has charisma and Kerry didn't. So when Obama gets swiftboated (say with Wright) people will be more ready to hear his answer, and judging by his speech on race, he'll give a really good answer.
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@ShawnWM
"Well, let's see about that when he loses the governorship next time. Which he will. Hispanics are pissed. You better believe it."
with all due respect, shawn, what would YOU know about hispanics and their feelings about richardson's support of obama. we are not in lockstep support of clinton. many of us, especially younger, better educated latinos, support obama and are thrilled that mr. richardson has endorsed him. and i think that mr. richardson won't have to worry about the governorship since i'm hoping that obama will select him as veep, in which case mr. richardson will be instrumental in bringing latinos around. so don't go making blanket statements that you've pulled out of...thin air.
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@MadamF
I don't respect you now...so why would I respect you in the morning? =)
But you really should start your own Blog, my dear.
[And please don't tell me you're really a 70-yr-old guy in Indiana---I'd be devastated.]
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ShawnWM is quite the vulgarian
no? i realize that you are a fervid mcclinton supporter, but really, to attack others and use such derogatory language? you really ought to have your keyboard (and mouth) washed out with soap.
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@ Xrandadu Hutman: Yeah, But You Failed To Mention...
that Clinton actually does better in a GE matchup with McCain and that she does better in battleground states than Obama. So, how about adding some qualifiers, Hut?
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Clinton should suspend her campaign at this point for the good of the party if she can't get 60%+ of the remaining votes...
Hillary Clinton's only reasonable shot at getting the nomination is to beat Obama in the popular vote. While not impossible, it's highly implausible. The Clinton camp has all but given up on matching Obama on the pledged delegates. With Michigan and Florida apparently not planning re-votes, I don't see how Clinton gets a majority of the popular vote.
All she is likely to do at this point is to weaken Obama, the eventual Democratic nominee. She's already gone on the record saying that only she and John McCain are candidates who are qualified to be Commander in Chief. Bill Clinton notably neglected to mention Obama when talking about the candidates who love their country. Bill Richardson has been called a Judas by James Carville for endorsing Obama. I can only image what else will get said by the Clinton camp in praise of John McCain by the time the nomination convention rolls around.
Obama may be an imperfect candidate, but he'll almost certainly be the Democratic nominee come November. Richardson is absolutely right; it's time to end the circular firing squad if the goal is to beat McCain in the fall.
If the supers overturn the will of both the pledged delegates and the popular vote, I don't see how the Democratic party survives November. They'll almost certainly see depressed African-American turnout. However, even more important than that, I'd argue the long term damage will really come from the hoards of young voters that Obama has brought into the process for the first time. Obama resonates with them and their idealism in a way that no other politician in my lifetime has.
If the Democratic elders overrule their victory, I think it sends an unmistakable message that their votes didn't count. That could send the party into the political wilderness, not just in this election, but for a generation or more.
If Clinton believes she can get the 60%+ majorities she needs in the remaining primaries (preferably without the Republican mischief-making dittohead vote), then by all means, she should stay in. But, if she doesn't, she needs to get out now. Otherwise, she becomes the Mike Hucklebee of the Democratic Party (before he finally dropped out).
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ljwalker53...taking peoples' pulse
I just want to ask, as I know you are a strong and passionate Clinton supporter, if Obama wins the nomination, will you still vote for him in the general election? I feel like I want to take people's pulse around here because AKA Smith is right that we have to stick together eventually, Obama and Clinton supporters. For all my frustration with his process, I will vote for Clinton if she is the nominee.
I want Obama to win, but even more than that, I want a Democrat to be elected. Are we on the same page with electing a Democrat? Just checking.
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Obama Cannot Win General
Loper2008 says that Obama has weaknesses for sure, but he is the only candidate with credibility on criticizing this war before it began.
AGAINST WAR BEFORE ELECTED TO US SENATE
It took no courage to do that since he made the remarks at the safe and ultra leftie liberal district at the U of C.
SUPPORTS THE WAR WHILE RUNNING FOR US SENATE
Boston Globe 3/8/08 “In July of 2004, the day after his speech at the Democratic convention catapulted him into the national spotlight, Barack Obama told a group of reporters in Boston that the United States had an "absolute obligation" to remain in Iraq long enough to make it a success.
"The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster," he said at a lunch sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor, according to an audiotape of the session. "It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective."
The statements are consistent with others Obama made at the time, emphasizing the need to stabilize Iraq despite his opposition to the US invasion.”
SUPPORTS THE WAR AFTER ELECTION TO US SENATE
Obama votes to fund war twice and makes no speech or remarks against war from the Senate floor. No courage there either.
AGAINST THE WAR AGAIN…………
Makes a politically expedient decision to win the Dem nomination when he decides to run for President
Yeah man so many different positions on Iraq gives Obama lots of credibility.
Loper2008 goes on to say, I cannot guarantee he would win the general but neither can HRC supporters guarantee she can win the general.
If you really believe this after Wright you do not understand the American electorate.
Rev. Wright’s views and sermons will be used in attack ads this fall. And I guarantee you they will not play well among a majority of ma and pop, red white and blue, Main Street, Joe Six pack voters in a General Election. Polls are showing they do not play well now. Weaved into a narrative with ‘lapel pins,’ ‘hand over heart,’ For the first time on my adult life I am proud of my country,’ the right wing smear machine will weave a seamless portrait that will be hammered over and over again through print, radio, TV, and the internet the right wing smear machine that will surely bring down Obama.
According to a new poll by Insider Advantage Majority Opinion Poll
First, we screened poll respondents to find those who were aware that Obama’s pastor was in the news. A startling 82% knew about Obama’s speech, and about the controversy surrounding the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Of those who knew about the controversy and the speech, we asked, “Taking all this into account, are you more or less likely to support Obama for president?”
Less likely (52%)
More likely (19%)
About the same (27%)
No opinion (2%)
You can read all about it and see the entire poll including how it was structured and the questions asked at this link:
http://www.southernpoliticalreport.com/storylink_320_294.aspx
Obama cannot win the general election.