Letters to the Editor
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Joint ticket
If Hillary wins the nomination, she will probably offer Obama the VP slot. If he declines, then Hillary should(probably will) call upon Wesley Clark. Either way, Republicans will have a problem. . . Hillary/Obama ticket will be a force never seen -- rallying large demographics to the polls in numbers we have not seen before. I would venture a guess that there are less women haters and racists than there are women who want a woman leader, young people that like Obama's spirit(Bill Clintonesque appeal to rally youth), minorities brown and black that once again see hope in the Democratic party; etc. . .This could be the election that brings Democrats back to their roots -- in a way Kerry could never have related to when he ran and went for his fancy sailing photo ops.
If Obama wins the nomination, given his need for the spotlight it seems doubtful he will call upon Hillary as his VP candidate and I just wonder if there is anyone else he can call upon for the ticket that will balance him enough to keep the enthusiasm and fight against the Republican machine. However, since the VP is more of a fundraiser than policy guru -- it is a position that Obama is ideally suited to takeover. By November, blue lights and Change the world will be ikons of the past . . . the Obama campaign has already had a couple weeks of figuring out what side is up.
By November, whomever are the candidates -- they will have to be talking about real issues and the issue that wins won't be Iraq. It will be the economy. It is downright depressing to leave the country and realize how little the U.S. Dollar buys today in Canada or the EU.
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First choice Clinton, second choice McCain
I won't vote for Obama at the top of the ticket. I don't trust him to be able to handle foreign policy OR the economy.
If Obama wins the nomination, I will vote for McCain. The latest polls on this question show this to be true for approximately 25% of Clinton supporters, twice as many as Obama supporters.
If Obama tries to intimidate the party into nominating him despite Clinton's popular vote advantage (with Florida and Michigan, which WILL count), all hell will break lose.
Democrats aren't ready to let another election be stolen by an tantrum thrower with no experience or plan who thinks he's entitled to have our nomination handed to him.
Been there done that, have the disastrous foreign policy and economy to show for it.
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Are You Kidding?
If you ask me, a Clinton nomination would be tantamount to Democratic party suicide. People -- political junkies and the media especially -- grossly underestimate the amount of anti-Clinton hatred in this country. She is deeply despised by millions. She enters the race with a 49 percent disapproval rating, leaving zero margin for error.
For instance, most of my colleagues at work are middle class Republicans, many of whom were in the military. Over the past several weeks, I have heard several coworkers admit they were not only willing, but looking forward to voting for Obama. At the same time, they would never in a billion years pull the lever for H. Clinton.
I'm not saying that's right, or fair, but that's the sentiment out there. And despite what you're hearing about the Right's lack of fondness for McCain, NOTHING will mobilize and energize the Republican party more than a Clinton nomination.
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Obama Can't Win
That's funny, every Democrat I talk to says they support Clinton over McCain, and when I ask them if they would support Obama were he nominated, they don't say they wouldn't -- they laugh out loud.
Pampered college students aside, Obama's got a big problem with people who work for a living in big, important Democratic swing states like Pennysylvania, Ohio, and Florida. Voters over 55 don't like him. Latinos don't like him. Women don't like him. Blue collar white men don't like him.
It can't be wished away and the superdelegates know as much.
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Yay anecdotes!
I talked to some mooninites the other day. They said they're all for McCain. Therefore, all you democrats should take your ball and go home, you're gonna lose.
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@ lolcait
If Clinton loses the popular vote and the delegate count from the voters (and MI and FL are able to weigh in some way), will you oppose a Clinton effort to grab the nomination just as you would an Obama effort?
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Not to worry
Have no fears; the right wing slime machine can roar into action in an instant. I have no doubt that they've prepared T-shirts, a website, and the full promo for Citizens Opposed to Obama Now. They can rehash all the old lies about Clinton. In a pinch, they can either Find/Replace "Clinton" with "Obama" in all the 90's vintage attack copy; they can also accuse him of doing whatever St. Johnnie is - only, when a Democrat does it, it's B-A-A-D.
It's okay to hear that the Republican attack machine is sitting on the sidelines for the moment, but don't kid yourself. Whichever Democrat gets the nomination, they're toast.
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I'm serious
My highly unscientific polling of a group of people I only know, and you have to assume are real people, are so important that you have to give up now.
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Proximity
I don't know where lolcait is hanging out (and frankly don't really care), but the democrats I have encountered favor Obama almost 3-1, and I've encountered my fare share! But then again, you say you'd vote for McCain over Obama, so your input is meaningless to me based on that point alone. The fact that you would choose to commit party fratricide is inexcusable.
Patrick - as always I agree with you! On a similar note, my wife is from San Antonio. Her father has been employed by Clear Channel for 30+ years. Clear Channel, as many of you know, is one step down (or up) the neocon ladder from Fox News. My father-in-law has never voted Democrat in his life, but he and many of his colleagues are giddy at the thought of voting for Obama. I about spit my coffee on my computer when he emailed to tell me that!