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"If you were her, the frontrunner in a country that fucking loves war, and you want to be President of the United States, and you have been lied to about WMDs"
Lied to? You can sell that ice cream on the other side of the street, friend. I was alive way back in 2002, and I knew, as did many other "low-level civilians," that the Bush administration, and the obsequious CIA cretins attempting to appease it, were feeding us a complete line of shit regarding the dire threat posed by Saddam Hussein's massive Iraqi military capabilities.
If I was able to figure it out, so surely should such a brilliant lady as Hillary.
"and you can't prove if they're right or wrong publicly, and you haven't been able to count on Americans who are supposedly anti-war to vote in the past, who do not understand party loyalty, and you realize a centrist position is the one that doesn't expose your ass to a swarm of flies who refuse to vote for anybody called the "Viet Nam" generation, you go with the flow."
I'm starting to feel silly for even responding to your rambling idiocy.
"Party loyalty?" Talk about party loyalty to the families of the US soldiers and Iraqi civilians who' are now dead because of Hillary and Dubya's war.
Talk about "party loyalty" to the US children who will grow up with a dearth of public services such as education, health care, transportation, domestic security, etc. because they will have to shoulder a trillion-dollar bill for the Glorious Liberation of Iraq.
"I know, it's still immoral! It's horrible to think a woman especially could be so competitive--but I have news for you: pacifists don't get far in the U.S. of A. They have even been known to be sent to jail. But thank God we have self-righteous individuals like you to keep us on the straight and narrow."
I'm no pacifist. I can think of plenty of wars I could get behind. For instance, I could definitely support an armed insurgency of American citizens attempting to reclaim Washington DC from the choke hold of overfed Bush-bots and Clinton-groupies.
Nonetheless, Hillary's vote for the Iraq war, whether out of ignorance or political calculation, or "party loyalty," absolutely was immoral.