Letters to the Editor
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@ Slackie
What? How do you figure?
Here's the truth (and I am an Obama supporter, am independent, from Florida so...)
-Hillary does well among the base; she has a good resume; although she is a repub target
-Barak is charismatic and has brought millions of new people into the party; he could stand to do better in the resume department against McCain
-Neither one has a decisive mandate. Period. its virtually 50/50
- clinton has won a big states, obama has mobilized populations in traditionally red states
Supposedly 90% of Obama supporters say they will vote Clinton if she is nominee. (I am one of them)
75% of clinton supporters say they would vote for obama if he is the nominee (although you wouldn't know that from the letters on Salon).
I believe Obama teh vast majority of people would not be pissed off with him as VP. I wouldn't, although i'd rather see him president. But ANYTHING before a McCain presidency!
I cannot imagine that a Clinton Obama ticket would fail to get more votes in the general than McCain, even with their base energized against Clinton
Besides, if we only choose one of them can we really trust those percentages of people who say they'd vote for the other after another 8 weeks of rancorous infighting? Not so sure. Neither can win with only their 50% in the general.
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It's A 3 Pronged attack Now
1.) Hillary whacked him with the kitchen sink. Now get out a crow bar on him. Stuff like his church and Pastor. There's puss under that scab.
2.) The overall popular vote is very close. Hillary needs to get the lead there, and that erases the delegate argument for the supers.
3.)Revotes in Florida and Michigan.
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@LanierThrill73
You wrote: "Sorry but it's simple...Clinton WILL LOSE the general election - every McCain hating Republican who would otherwise stay home would come out to vote for the devil himself over her. And even if she somehow slipped in they will fight fight fight ANYTHING she proposes before she even takes office. Doing another primary in Fla? Well gee Dems, can you play just a bit harder into the hands of the GOP? Starting to wonder if she wants to wound Obama to the point that McCain will win so she can go for it again in 2012. As Bill Maher has been saying "Only the Democrats can find a way to lose the election this year..." :-( -- LanierThrill73"
Tell you what, LanierThrill73...you just stay home, wring your hands and whine. There are those of us in the party who love a good fight. We are not willing to let the Republicans make this a win by default, ok? We concede nothing!
McCain is not..repeat NOT...a shoo-in; he has liabilities a-plenty, including his blind fealty and obeisance to one George W. Bush...who, you may be surprised to learn, is disliked more than getting dogpoop on your shoes.
So, go sit in a dark closet, mutter and moan that "Hillary means doom" and "Obama is the only savior" and fondle your "honorary Republican" membership card. The rest of us will handle the hard work that is to be done by working hard for Hillary's election.
Poofter!
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Hmm
An Obama/Clinton ticket a nice thought, but how realistic? Much has been made of how similar their positions are; what's very different, as far as I can tell, is how each of them communicates with and mobilizes (or doesn't) the folks around them. It's hard for me to imagine what a combined ticket would look like -- would they cancel each other out or complement each other?
On re-dos in Florida and Michigan -- seems to me the Dems made their beds on that one, and to reverse that would make for a loss of credibility. Can we afford that?
On one matter, though, I have no question: I hope the two can raise the bar on the discourse so that the focus is on the issues rather than on ad hominem attacks -- through which the repubs can just sit back, arms folded, smug, waiting for Obama and Clinton to chip each other away, down to nothing. If they can both demonstrate to the democratic base that their hearts are set on what's best for this country and how and why -- and thereby add to the contingent planning to vote for either -- they'll perpetuate the hope that this whole phenomenon has brought about already. Which seems to be crumbling, with all the nastiness.
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So let's think about this....
....all this sniping and bitterness in the Salon letters section means exactly one thing that was crystallized last night: 50% of us want Obama and 50% of us want Clinton.
Now that that is abundantly clear, what we need to do is sit down as a group of people with some shared ideas and values and figure out how to make the majority of us comfortable with the November ticket.
The Obama vs. Clinton flamewars need to end.
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I Dunno...DNC rules...
Michigan, Florida, there WERE some established rules...you defied 'em, you broke 'em, now we're supposed to endulge fools? I'm not too sympathetic to states that didn't wait their turn, maybe it'll take a lesson to make 'em learn. This could really make for some bad blood.
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Say hello to President McCain
I think it is becoming more and more apparent that John McCain will be our new President. There will be too much water under the bridge. Clinton supporters bashing Obama supporters won't help her win in November. People are emotionally invested in their candidate and if that person doesn't win the nomination, it becomes a question whether to vote against the person who denied your candidate the nomination or just not voting at all.
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What do you mean "long-shot presidential challenger to Barack Obama"?
Love her or hate her she's not a "long-shot". Ron Paul and Ralph Nader are long shots but not Hillary. She is definitely a contender. No matter which one is chosen, Clinton or Obama, they are going to have a tough fight on their hands to win the general election.
But as this article indicates, Hillary's chance at the nomination may depend upon Michigan and Florida. McCain is a formidable opponent and not exactly the rickety old man that he is sometimes looks like on TV. Down here in Florida he's practically middle aged and he is not going to crumble under the weight of either Democratic candidate. Also, there is a rumor that McCain may select Florida governor Charlie Crist as his running mate, which could make it even tougher for a Democratic win in this state. This is all the more reason to consider seriously a re-vote both here and in Michigan.