You say: "I don't have anything in particular against under-educated white people except that they seem to be uncomfortable with non-white persidential candidates, and i don't see why I should accept a mentality that is basically racist, being white myself."

All I can say is shame on you, pantanal, shame on you.

http://sciencesense-eyesopen.blogspot.com/2008/02/running-list-of-obama-endorsements.html

Before anyone gets wrapped around whether educated voters make better judgements than those who are less educated, here is a list of endorsers for Obama, from politicians, academics, artists, et al.

For KateTex and her cohorts to demonize and mock Obama supporters is quite simply, specious.

Trying to dig her grave since the beginning. What happened to "journalism"?

Why was it OK for the Clinton camp to use racial put downs when commenting on Obama's victories, but "shameful" to denounce racial bigotry among her one remaining core voting block, under-educated whites? Imagine Clinton running against a Jewish candidate and losing New York by a wide margin and then having her husband dismiss her opponent's victory as:"of course our opponent has won NY, he's Jewish after all, so it's not a big deal", she would lose the Jewish vote, which what happened to her with the black vote in the aftermath of Bill Clinton's reaction to Obama trouncing Hillary in S. Carolina with its large African-American population. It's fascinating that Hillary has lost her edge over Obama with every single voting block with the exception of the one most prone to reject a candidate solely on base of his/her race-lower middle class white voters.

Just read your post - magnificent!! Thank you.

You say: "Why was it OK for the Clinton camp to use racial put downs when commenting on Obama's victories, but "shameful" to denounce racial bigotry among her one remaining core voting block, under-educated whites?"

You're quite good at making unfounded assumptions. In fact, execrable in this regard.

is another form of Plagiarism. If I had any integrity, I would not copy my opponent's ad like this. This is low.

Copying KateTex's words make you look stupid.

Pantanal said: "There's no chance of taking this to a general election and getiing trounced"

General Election is a total different games. Even though in Primary, there are many Republicans and independents cross-over to vote for Obama in Red States. The Republicans will vote for Republican nominee in November..

The Cross-over voters for Obama is likely a Rove Republican trick and these votes will not be there for Democratic Nominee in November General Election.

Your comments are spot on and I am including them in this post for those who might have missed them:

"The real problem with Hillary Clinton, the reason she can only occasionally "find her voice", is her utter lack of authenticity. As a rather vivid demonstration of this, I saw that yesterday, she suddenly began dropping her r's, noticeably talking down to her largely blue collar audience. Suddenly, our Wellesley and Yale educated candidate began to speak of Obama "runnin' " on such and such a platform and "toutin' " his policies. I was truly embarassed for her, this foray into the vernacular as awkward a spectacle as President Bush attempting an African tribal dance."

"Why seize on these seemingly unimportant moments? Because they're revelatory of a deep-seeded problem of integrity, the same issue that led her to vote to authorize war in Iraq so as not to appear weak (keeping in mind that she would, in the near future, be running for President); the same personal flaw that was revealed even earlier, in fact, when she suddenly appeared in New York with a Yankees cap and announced that she would be making a bid for the senate, that she had a Jewish grandparent, and so on."

Your post reminded me of a discussion with a woman I met in mid-January at an Obama fundraiser in D.C. She had been a Hillary supporter until shortly before this event. I asked her why she'd changed her mind. She said, "I read her book." It is telling that Hillary's true character (or lack thereof) came through even in a book designed to flatter and promote her!

Reading through many of your posts, both of you sound dangerously like HRC's Manchurian candidates, copying Hillary pit bull attack tactics on plagiarism, experience and whatever. I am convinced that KateTex expecially is a paid Clinton operative, lurking on websites, nit picking on tactics that have been thoroughly vetted and discredited and laughed off the pages of most credible news sources.

Obama's ad is a summation of all that is successful about his campaign. He uses Clinton's own words to turn the tables on her. This is brilliant in responding to Clinton's harangue, pushing fearmongering to get votes.

Cheney's experience got us the Iraq war and so did Hillary's. Hillary plagiarised John Edwards in her closing comments in the debate. Both of you would be plausible if you did not consistently use Hillary's line of attack. Who is more cult like using the same worn out language of the failed Clinton campaign?

You say: "I am convinced that KateTex expecially is a paid Clinton operative, lurking on websites"

Yes, and I'm also employed by the Mossad - in my spare time, of course.

KateTex..."Yes, and I'm also employed by the Mossad - in my spare time, of course."

I did suspect that too. Thanks for blowing your cover :)

I started my lettering here as Mark Stratton; that being my name. Then I realized that every late evening thought I had was being posted on the web for all to search and to see so I began writing anonymously. I, like most of you, don't really want just everyone to know what I think so I wrote to salon, after their ban on anonymous letters, asking them to allow me an alias so that I could continue to enjoy the banter of the letters forums and not really be me. I was refused. Those of you who have been and still are "wildbill" or "everyonessusan" can still write at will and for all intents stay unknown, or anonymous. I have been forced to lie down in the bright light of the google search forever due to the inchoate fascism of the salon reich. Look at the world. It is from the unchecked left that fascism grows. But, on subject, I've been wondering where the real leaders are. Why aren't truly qualified people running for the office of President of the United States? We have the spouse of a former president, one who stayed strong and maintained her dignity under the most stressful of times, but who really hasn't proven herself as a leader (and there whole cities full of people who have been heroic in love and marriage, so what). We have a junior senator from Illinois who has done nothing and who has managed to stir up the evils of racism whenever the idea that he has done nothing comes up in conversation or debate ( a lot of time spent practicing "presidential" in front of the mirror and not one meeting called on the senate committe that he chairs), and we have the man who lost to and who was humiliated by our current incompetent president and is now seeking that same imcompetent president's endorsement. We're voting for images and the images are being collaged by the inexperienced and/or corrupt media(salon being more and more in and part of that group). We need to stop listening to the Walter Shapiros and the Joan Walshs and the blind polemicists like Greenwald and start voting for ourselves - looking at the realities of our own lives and voting for those who can, and who have proved they can, help to start making those little changes that make us a better country and that make our individual lives a little easier to live.

Goodnight, and with totally pink and soft nakedness and without the company of Joan Walsh tonight, good luck with your new president.