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Friday, February 29, 2008 12:00 AM

Hillary at twilight

Was her campaign stop in an Ohio town called Hanging Rock a metaphor -- or a symbol of dogged defiance?

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Friday, February 29, 2008 02:04 PM

Chez mme. defarge

First of all, though we diverge seriously on our candidate views, you've got one of the better screen names. And now, back to the knitty gritty (cough)....

You say:

"The costume drama was not the first time that the Clinton camp tried using the Muslim card."

Is there any proof out there, any at all, that the Clinton camp was responsible for the photo which ended up in Drudge's grubby, slippery hands? Lacking any concrete evidence, this assumption must be categorized under "attempted smear."

Friday, February 29, 2008 02:09 PM

Obama Had It Right

Hillary is a fighter. She fights with everyone....her party, her husband, the media, the republicans, white males, ....

Here's a great article that accurately captures this democratic white male's thinking. Spoiler alert, it's not sexism.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-paul-kuhn/white-men-seen-all-wrong_b_88823.html

Friday, February 29, 2008 02:23 PM

A question to the Clinton campaign..

The only voters with whom Hillary still has a slight edge are undereducated(no college degree), over 55 blue color whites. Do you guys believe that you can win a general election with this group? Another thing-if the Super Tuesday primaries were held today, Hillary would lose California by 8-10 points, as well as most states she had won then, and her margin of victory in her present home state of NY would probably be no larger than 5 points, if that. Does all this give you an impression of a candidate who is capable of beating McCain?

Friday, February 29, 2008 02:40 PM

@pantanal

You say: "The only voters with whom Hillary still has a slight edge are undereducated(no college degree), over 55 blue color whites"

Can you document this? I have lots of friends, both male and female, who have at least an undergraduate degree, and a predominance of masters and PhDs. All of them are Clinton voters, complete Obama skeptics. Also, far as I know, Clinton still has the edge with white women. And though this may be accidental, your post has a ring of class prejudice to it, not to mention the usual soupcon of implied racial prejudice among blue collar whites.

Friday, February 29, 2008 02:52 PM

@ Chez mme. defarge

As my alter ego would say - I'm not a big fan of dynasties.

Friday, February 29, 2008 03:12 PM

We will still have to look at her face in the Senate

I have always thought that it is much classier when the person running for office resigns to run for President. Kerry and Lieberman were both hedging their bets when they ran and it made them look like they were half assed when running. The same goes for McCain and Obama. It would be nice for them all to bow out now.

Friday, February 29, 2008 03:17 PM

KateTex

The exit polls indicate that Hillary has an edge, and even that edge is getting smaller, among under-educated whites. This doesn't mean that she doesn't have any support among other groups, including college educated voters, some of whome may be your collegues and friends, only that her supprt there is progressively diminishing and is significantly smaller than Obama's. Even in the group that was supposed to be her greatest strength, white women, she's now tied with Obama, and her support among independents is dismally low. There's no chance of taking this to a general election and getiing trounced, which is all I'm saying. I don't have anything in particular against under-educated white people except that they seem to be uncomfortable with non-white persidential candidates, and i don't see why I should accept a mentality that is basically racist, being white myself.

Friday, February 29, 2008 03:24 PM

@JosieOrtez

Actually, I consider myself a "Peak Boomer" (born 1957). The cecilbeanie handle comes from high school years. My name is Cecilia but the guys started calling me Cecil. I have a sister who was in h.s. with me and they called her Beanie. Hence, cecilbeanie. I remember that Cecil was a sea serpent but not the seasick part - but that makes sense because it is a great alliteration. Ironically, I don't get seasick. Even more ironic is that St. Cecilia is the patron saint of music - my singing sounds like the mewling of 100s of feral cats!

Anyway. I believe you are correct and Obama apprarently took the Clinton campaign at its word. So, as promised, I withdraw the photo flap as evidence of covert use of racism by the Clinton campaign. But I don't agree with your take on the photo release.

It would be risky for the Obama camp to release the photo to make Hillary look bad (i.e., paint her as someone who's willing to stir-up anti-Muslim sentiment to win). The folks were the most angry about the photo were already Obama supporters. Maybe it pulled in some undecideds who were offended by the Muslim=Bad, Barack=Muslim, Barack=Bad equation. But it could just as easily lose him votes because there are folks out there who may be uneasy about voting for Barack Hussein Obama and the photo just might have reinforced that unease.

I agree the photo made him look funny not scary (shades of Dukakis in the tank). But I do not think that embarassing Obama by releasing a photo where he looks silly was what whoever released the photo intended. No, it was to remind voters that he just might be a Muslim.

P.S. Hillary's latest TV ad should leave no doubt in anyone's mind that she is willing to use fear-mongering to win. When Hillary said that she was the better candidate to take on the Republicans maybe she misspoke maybe she meant to say that she was the candidate who would make herself most like the Republicans. Is this the real reason Karl Rove left the White House? This looks like his handi-work.

Friday, February 29, 2008 03:24 PM

@KateTex

KateTex says "I have lots of friends, both male and female, who have at least an undergraduate degree, and a predominance of masters and PhDs. All of them are Clinton voters, complete Obama skeptics. Also, far as I know, Clinton still has the edge with white women. And though this may be accidental, your post has a ring of class prejudice to it, not to mention the usual soupcon of implied racial prejudice among blue collar whites." end of KateTex quote

I too have a lot of friends, both male and female, of all races - not just white - with a predominance of masters, but mostly with PhDs. ALL of them voted for Obama, complete Clinton skeptics. You accuse Panatala of class prejudice which in my judgement is not much different from you own brand of class and race prejudice when you accuse Obama supporters of nothing more than mesmorized children following the pied piper over the cliff. This is a continued Hillary ridicule that is now wearing thin and which many of her supporters like yourself who are also mouthing. And why is it OK for white women to vore for a white woman and not OK forblack men and women to vote for Obama? Why this double standard that you constantly imply in your posts?

I will be the first one to tell you that college degrees do not guarantee sanity, and those not having college degrees does not mean that they do not have common sense.

You have a propensity to mock. Are you suggesting that people who have endorsed Obama, such as Toni Morrison, Garrison Keillor, Alice Walker, Lani Guineer, Joycelene Elders, Robert Reich, former Clinton operatives, The Nation, and tons of major editorial endorsements, are doing so because they are in thrall of a hypnotic Rasputin and therefore have left their brains in some liquid solution?

And now the fear mongering with the nefarious ad on TV. Is this an act of an intelligent and compassionate woman or of one who has to win at all costs, the last gasp of a dynastic climber?

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