hillary IS torture to the mind, the sences, to all that is reasonable and good.

Sen. Obama's statement was made in 2006.

AKA Smith: "That you raise this dead issue here indicates that your feelings about Hillary Clinton are much closer to those of the Republican attack machine -- those Rovians you so decry -- than they are to those of the average progressive who is just disappointed in her vote on the war."

Actually the reason I raised the issue is because somebody suggested that the Clintons got all their money from Bill's speeches. Then I Googled Hillary's book and found the article from Salon. I read it and then mentioned what was in the article in my post. I said nothing indicating my own judgment on the matter. So what's your problem? You're overreaching here. After all, the article was on Salon! Is Salon part of the Republican attack machine?

AKA Smith: "Are you even a Democrat?"

Actually, I'm not. I am a liberal Independent. Thanks for asking.

AKA Smith: "You seem to go way beyond the reasonable person who supports Obama to being a little obsessive with the Hillary-hating."

You don't seem particularly reasonable yourself.

AKA Smith: "I actually like Obama despite the fact that he plagiarized Patrick's speech. I plan to vote for him, and gladly, if he is the nominee as long as no unforseeable scandal emerges."

I'm glad you will admit to liking Obama and being willing to vote for him. Now that is reasonable. What's not reasonable is saying "he plagiarized Patrick's speech." DeeperTruth just used the exact same phraseology -- as if Obama plagiarized the entire speech and not 3 sentences. You have done that before too. What's with the willful inaccuracy?

AKA Smith: "Whatever you may say, I find it very hard to believe that you would vote for Clinton."

Well, since you won't believe me whatever I might say, why should I respond? Ah hell, I will anyway: If Hillary is the candidate, I will cast a vote for her against McCain with no problem. I actually kinda like her sometimes, but I really dislike her when she goes into petty attack mode. She's a fighter, but I like her best when she fights for something worthwhile -- not when she fights to tear down somebody else who is also on the right side of things. I do realize that this is what she has to do to have any chance at this point, but I don't think it works for her very well. Others may disagree, and that is their prerogative.

I appreciate your posts. Keep up the good work, and thanks for pointing out Hillary's waffling on the issue of torture. That is why I like Obama better as a candidate.

Huh?

I keep racking my brain trying to remember when Hutman has ever showed any respect for any female Clinton supporters.

Maybe it will come to me. Maybe I am having an Alzheimer's moment.

There is something strange though . . . his writing style seems very familiar . . .

AKA Smith: "I keep racking my brain trying to remember when Hutman has ever showed any respect for any female Clinton supporters."

Why would I respect ljwalker53 after writing a post full of one insult after another?

Oh, thank you for correcting me. I should have said, to be perfectly accurate that he plagiarized from Patrick's speech. However, I am heartily cheered to see that you admit he plagiarized three sentences, however, it was a bit more than that actually because he also took the basic idea as well.

Now don't go getting honest on us. It would be out of character. You wouldn't want to get out of character, would you?

During her promotional tour for the book, Clinton said, "I actually wrote the book ... I had to write my own book because I want to stand by every word."

-Wikipedia

AKA Smith said this, and I'd just like to point out that earlier in this thread, AKA vowed to work night and day to comb through every word Obama has written in her determination to catch him "plagiarizing." Just thought I'd like to point out that she's doing her damndest to make sure such a "scandal emerges." Her use of the passive voice here hides the fact that she is trying to make a scandal "emerge" -- presumably, the Best English Teacher In The World knows the difference between passive and active voice?

Second, AKA, what are you doing still talking about "plagiarism"? I figured you'd be jumping all over the fact that Hillary lost her shit today and screeched into the microphone like a wounded cat (the object of her ire: campaign flyers that the Obama campaign released two weeks ago). Some people are saying that she's "hysterical" and "furious" and doesn't have the temperament to be president.

Sexism? Or fact?

Ghostwriters and "authors" collaborate. It is not possible for the ghostwriter to actually write the book if there is not input from the person who actually has the facts. What the ghostwriter has is a facility with words. I recently read an "autobiography" of the late Bette Davis with a foreward by the collaborator who explained that working with Davis was a sort of fascinating nightmare. Davis would go off on a tape-recorded tangent. At no time did she attempt to order these memories. It is possible at the end of her life that ordering memories was getting beyond her capacity. It was still a fascinating book and Davis' own voice came through.

Do you really think the ghostwriter could have written the book without Clinton's input and cooperation? It's a partnership. That is what you can't seem to understand.

Sort of like the partnership Barack has with his speechwriters, AKA?

AKA Smith: "Oh, thank you for correcting me. I should have said, to be perfectly accurate that he plagiarized from Patrick's speech. However, I am heartily cheered to see that you admit he plagiarized three sentences, however, it was a bit more than that actually because he also took the basic idea as well."

Very clever of you. But that is not an admission of plagiarism. I would consider it plagiarism if he had taken those words without the guy's permission. Because the other guy actively encouraged Obama to use those sentences, I think it is less than plagiarism, though still somewhat questionable.

My main point was that it is inaccurate to say "plagiarized his speech" instead of "plagiarized three sentences of someone else's speech." At least in the latter case your statement is representative of your actual accusation.