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Friday, February 22, 2008 12:00 AM

Hillary Clinton's Texas-size moment

All that mattered about the showdown in Austin was whether she could stop Barack Obama's momentum. Were her powerful closing words a magic bullet?

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Friday, February 22, 2008 01:40 PM

More "Words vs Action"

Once again Obama's "words" were misinterpreted...Just like the other day when all of us "misinterpreted" Michelle's comments...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbO-kgB-ZI4

Friday, February 22, 2008 01:41 PM

@ saintzak

I take it you do not want to address the plagiarism issue that the Obama campaign is strangely trying to resurrect??? I am just doing their job for them here. They want plagiarism to remain an issue. So be it. It's a pity so many Obama people seem to be willing to accuse Hillary of plagiarism when she did not plagiarize and to exempt Obama when he clearly did? Maybe the Obama campaign thinks his fans are too ignorant to know the difference?

Or maybe ....

Do you suppose a former teacher of law such as Obama doesn't know the difference himself?

Nah! He's just playing you guys! Pandering to the enthusiasm that has hoisted him to these heights. He's a smart fella. Too bad so many people who are following his lead are not.

Soooo. Did you graduate from college? Did you take English 101?

Friday, February 22, 2008 01:44 PM

@MarkLee

A very good analysis and an interesting anecdote. Last night I saw a little of what you did too. Obama didn't seem to know what to say without Hillary and Obama seemed upset that Republicans and the Nut Left had gotten it down to this.

But it's too late really. He's going to be the nominee near certainly, and he's going to go down in flames. The rest of us should prepare for that and a retake of the GOP Congress and leverageing ourselves as best possible.

We can't help the poor blacks and the liberals. They shot themselves in their ass by their own stupidity and mean-spirtedness (again). They're on their own as far as I'm concerned from here on out.

I feel a lot sorrier for the Chicanos, Asians and blue collar whites who finally had learned their lesson voting REpublican and had come back to us with Hillary.

What a slap in the face this is to them.

Friday, February 22, 2008 01:45 PM

Sorry Bernbart

but the snub of Gavin Newsom happened in 2004...So your "theory" doesn't wash...

Friday, February 22, 2008 01:47 PM

et tu AKA Smith

"Nah! He's just playing you guys! Pandering to the enthusiasm that has hoisted him to these heights. He's a smart fella. Too bad so many people who are following his lead are not."

the "nutso, stupid, duped" Obama fans argument from you ... I expected more.

Friday, February 22, 2008 01:49 PM

@John Anderson in your post of 1:40 pm

You simply fail to say why you think this particular juxtapostion is plagiarism. Please tell me why you see it so. If it is not plagiarism, it is not really an issue, is it?

Friday, February 22, 2008 01:49 PM

@JASONF

there's more than one anon here, but if you're addressing ME, I am no longer interested in being nice and haven't been since it became obvious to me that Obama was going to be our nominee despite the fact he was our weakest candidate.

You should have told the people foisting this Obama pox on us insisting Hillary was responsible for Bush's Iraq, for Bhutto's assasination and whatever else they could pull out of their butts and were all intent on sliming her from the left while at the same time the right was doing all it could to make sure they didnt have to run against her.

Maybe when Obama's campaign was caught read handed inciting the race riots of South Carolina in their four page campaign memo produced on the internet you should have asked them to "play nice". Instead you all went along with it and this preposterous charade of Bill Clinton of all people being a "racist".

We could go on and on. But since, as usual, the lefty-lefts weren't going to be happy until they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, now Obama is our nominee.

And he isn't qualified to be President and he isn't going to even come close to being President.

And I didn't say I was going to vote for McCain. I am not. McCain is equally repulsive.

I said for the first time in my life, I'm not voting for a president. I'm simply sitting this one out.

Friday, February 22, 2008 01:50 PM

"Chicanos"

forgot to mention in my last post ... has anyone heard this term used since, umm ... I don't know ... well XEROX ...

I get it, Mark Penn's in the HOUSE!

Friday, February 22, 2008 01:50 PM

To both sides of this debate/argument

I'd like to try to step back from the raging arguments going on here about Clinton and Obama and try to offer some perspective.

I'm 50 years old and have seen politicians of many different stripes. Some I've literally loathed (like the current occupant), others I've been lukewarm on, and yet others I've been very happy to have representing me (Lloyd Doggett, my current U.S. representative is an example). But the longer I'm around and see how difficult it is to build coalitions to get things done for the greater good, the more that I agree with the maxim that, "Politics is the art of the possible."

To each side, I'm delighted that you're passionate about supporting your candidate. I'm also dismayed at how many of you can't emotionally distance yourself from your candidate long enough to consider the degree to which the policies you hold most dear would be implemented by the other candidates. That is, what would be possible given other choices forced upon you by necessity.

No one is going to perfectly represent you except yourself, not even your preferred candidate. So given the possibility that your candidate might not be the nominee, do you really think that

a) refusing to vote for anyone,

b) voting for McCain

is really going to

a) get you closer to what you feel most strongly about

b) be best for the country as a whole.

Personally, I can't see how that can be true. We've been very fortunate this election cycle to have a strong set of Democratic candidates for President. And I'm not interested in subjecting the country to another four years of Republican "leadership" just because my Democratic candidate doesn't get the nomination. Please think about how you feel about this before you launch into anyone here or in any other context who does not support your choice.

Friday, February 22, 2008 01:55 PM

@Soc&Vacuum

Since Chicanos regularly call themselves such (to distinguish themselves from other hispanics like Cuban-Americans and Puerto-Rican, I'm not sure what in the hell you are braying about.

Either you don't spend much time in the Southwest, or as usual, you are braying emotionally and sporting grade-school flames because you can't argue electoral math and facts.

Anyway, please don't address me anymore. Having you hear is much like having a vacuum on the thread ; every time you post another 10 points disappear from the collective iq of the thread.

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