Then whom did Edwards lift that from? There's nothing original about "we're going to be fine." I mean, I think the plagiarism stuff is pretty lame right now too, but "we're going to be fine" is a far cry from repeating the same three phrases from another politician's speech, not to mention it was verified by that other politician. But "we're going to be fine"?... Yeah, no.

And HOW DARE people actually vote for him! What's with this "democracy" crap? Didn't they get the memo?

How stupid are you?? Not one of us has said you couldn't vote for him. No one has even suggested that he couldn't run for President.

That and noting that he doesn't have a chance, is unqualified and will go down in flames (and obviously knows it) is fair game - and it proves that Hussein-Obama doesn't give a rats ass about you, so maybe you should lighten up a little.

I would like to remind Salon readers, and the voters of Texas and Ohio, that Hillary Clinton voted for the war in Iraq. Therefore, her closing statements in the debate were highly contradictory. She said that the challenges that tested her in her life were nothing compared to those of the military personnel that she saw who had been wounded in Iraq. That's certainly true! Don't forget that she voted to send those people to Iraq where they were wounded. Clinton's attempt to play on the compassion of voters in the upcoming primaries, to make them see her as kind-hearted, failed with me. If she’d said, for once, that she was sorry for her vote or sorry that these young people have to live the rest of their lives maimed because of a decision she made, then I would have a lot more respect for her. Clinton’s play for sympathy for herself by using the example of the Iraq wounded was sordid, nothing more than a naked political ploy to garner votes.

well, I supposed going off on a vanity tangent about your lame sig is a lot easier than facing the tough electoral math.

This is why the left is so politically irrelevant. can only serve as spoilers.

Thefore I say it's time for MOVEON to MOVE THE FUCK ON, and in fact for the rest of NORMAL Democrats to regroup without you nuts.

You take it however you like it. I simply don't care.

We got to page 28 before someone used "Hussein-Obama." Wow. You Clintonites have really raised the level of political discourse in this country.

But of course that's why we were supposed to vote for Hillary, right? Because she could take the punches? Pity her campaign's collapsed under its own weight.

give it up already. nobody in Tx that's more than 10 feet from UT Austin cares about Iraq.

how stupid ARE you?

Obama is the only candidate I have heard spake out against the scapegoating of gays. You can ignore the Gavin Newsom story. Why would Obama have his photo taken with Gavin. After all Newsom has has his tails tied to the old Democratic machinery in San Francisco (Feinstein, Willie Brown, etc) . Gavin endorsed Hillary early on.

Better get used to it dearie. It IS his name and using it is a very small taste of what the right is going to throw. If you can't run with the big dogs better stay on the porch.

.... "rabid, nutty and uneducated supporters"

not that it's really useful the dialogue with such a truly fanatical individual, but your argument about the history of the left in the Dem party clearly leaves out current history. Yes, we've done so well choosing weasely moderate candidates such as Kerry for our recent choices ... yeah, guess we should just keep pandering to the right. Was this you, or yet another anon poster who said this? I simply can't keep track ...

Anonymous,

You managed to work middle-school level homophobia ("rbhomo") and more sophisticated ethnocentrism ("Hussein-Obama") into your post. This is suprising behavior for someone who professes concern for the direction of the Democratic Party. Let's all try to be a little nicer.

just not fit for office. not getting my vote.

I came away from the debate with the clear impression that Obama has the potential to be one of the great presidents of our country but this is not the right time. His heart and head are in the right place but he does not have his feet firmly under him. The adoring mobs screaming for the blood of Hillary are going to tear his heart out and throw him to the wolves. This is not his true nature and it could destroy him.

Senator Clinton is willing and able to dig in and do the dirty and thankless job of laying the groundwork to clean up the mess that the Bush administration has left the country in and then handing the reins to Senator Obama when the time is ripe. Together they really could get the country back on track. I believe that these two people really care about each other and are pained by the position they have been forced into. The dying, corrupt patriarchy is a blood thirsty, wounded animal clawing at them.

We must focus not on what Senator Clinton once was but on what she has become. She is no longer the consort, wife, handmaiden. She knows the enemy and has been forged in the crucible of the decaying system and has emerged as a pragmatic but fierce warrior-mother. Hillary and Obama need each other and we, as a country, need the two of them standing together. Hillary's "attacks" seem to me more like the chidings of a mother to a son compared to what he is going to be up against when she has been finally dragged to the town square and stoned to death. Perhaps she is just trying to toughen him.

In the debates he looks to her, repeats what she says and then scrambles to find a way to differentiate himself from her. His heart is not in it. They are like a mother and son struggling with their relationship. I honestly believe that if she could speak her heart she would simply say "Your time has not yet come. Let me nurture you, protect you, show you the way." My heart bleeds for Barack. The mobs screaming for the blood of the mother and the mobs screaming for the blood of the son must not hold sway. The decayed, wounded, vengeful beast of the failing power structure is standing in the shadows, waiting.

Marklee