Not only are the debates much of the same, so are our posts.

Beautiful. I couldn't have said it better myself, however, I'm gonna try:

HR Clinton is a liar. A flat-out, unabashed liar. She has ridden on the coattails of her husband for naked, political ambition.

I will concede that every politician is a bit of liar but Clinton takes it to new levels. She rolled (ROLLED) to the 2002 Iraq resolution authorizing Bush to head into this insane war and then blamed her lack of backbone on Bush, instead of just admitting that chose political appearances over common sense.

I voted for her husband--twice--holding my nose. I'm tired of holding my nose.

Obama isn't perfect and he's a bit green. But he does not have the political baggage that Clinton has (therefore, far less polarizing for the general election) and is willing to shake things up a bit in DC. Clinton would just give us more of the same ole' shit that the Bush admininstration has been giving us the last 8 years.

I'm willing to take my chances on someone new and bold, like Obama, rather someone who is 'experienced' in the same double speak that she's been dishing out for years.

And as to the feminists who say she's being attacked b/c she's a woman: BULLSHIT! I'm a feminist and I'm ashamed that she's our first real potential female president. Senator Boxer, even Nancy Pelosi, I'd consider. Not Clinton.

BTW, proof of her insincerity: her damn crocidile tears before the NH primary and the CA primary. That was a planned and phoney appeal to the public to appear 'more warm and less cold.'

Whatever. It just illustrates that this woman will say and do anything to get into office, like her husband.

Time for change, people.

I'm not in the least holy but you don't seem to accept that the blogosphere has no boundaries. As for "holier than thou", you must be thinking ofthat paragon of all the virtues, Senator Barack Obama, who "trails clouds of glory" wherever he goes. Beefy Americans, male or female, don't intimidate me, which is really what you're at, isn't it? Australians suffer from low self-esteem, do they? Not the ones I've met but perhaps that's because they don't swagger around the world like SOME Americans, behaving in a manner which Jonathan Swift would have recognised when he created the Yahoos.

As for rugby, the Wallabies must have loved your condescending comment. I suppose I'll be designated "holier than thou" when I tell you I haven't the slightest interest in your rumpy-pumpy

experiences in the Land of Oz but you must cherish the memory.

1. Can Salon please eliminate the anonymous option. It is being abused to a ridiculous degree these days. It's not as though most of us posting are using our real traceable names anyway. If I'm not willing to stand behind my words here, I'm not going to post, even if the only way you can identify me is by my screen alias.

2. What I thought I saw in the debate last night was that both Clinton and Obama have very similar policy positions, the differences in whether they would mandate everyone pay into health care or talk directly with Cuba right away not withstanding. Compared to the current occupant and the Republicans in general, I would gladly vote for either one in the general election. Personally, I will vote for Obama in the Texas primary because in my judgment he has the greater ability to inspire and motivate. There is so much that needs to be undone from the Bush administration and to be done to move us to a better place that I think his ability to move people will make that easier. He's right that there are entrenched interests that will not simply roll over and allow the agenda most of us would like to be enacted. There will need to be a groundswell of pressure from us that they will not be able to resist, and that will require getting folks motivated.

I voted in my first election in 1978. I've maybe missed three local elections since and that's it. I'm a lifelong Democrat. If Hillary takes the nomination, I'm voting McCain.

I think a divided government with a known "enemy" who has to compromise to get any kind of right wing garbage through the legislature, will be better for the country than a percived "liberal" who has a proven history of selling us out to corporate interests at EVERY vote.

C'mon people - six years on the BOD of WalMart? Speeches against the war and then voting FOR it? "Goldwater Girl" Hillary is the example of someone who consitently "rises above her principals" and votes corporate. Her central role in the "Republican-lite" Democratic Leadership Council should make any progressive of any stripe run away screaming. Remember too, that the Billary "team" ran to the right of RICHARD NIXON. If we get a few more progressives in Congress, standing up to McCain will be better for everyone than going along with Hillary.

Here's a URL of a petition that's growing by the day.

Feminists for Peace and Barack!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/NYfeministsforpeace/index.html

"Furthermore, I see no way that Obama will reverse the course of DoD spending within 8 years let alone 4 years. The time is NOW to elect a woman, our history is the sum of 200 years of male leadership and look where we are."

LOL! Did you miss the part where HRC helped vote us into war? Now that's a woman's touch.

If Sen. Clinton's powerful closing words were a magic bullet, her silly Zerox zinger, which you call a "potent putdown," was a shot in the foot. How could you objectively categorize it as a positive? Did you hear the booing which followed the petty, scripted remark? Me thinks there is a bit of bias going on here.

If they don't we're in for a long hard 8 years with yet an even bigger, probably hopeless mess to clean up. And if they don't for the first time in my life I won't be casting a presidential ballot.

McCain is disgusting.

But I'm not about to vote for junior senator that decided to be President 3 days after entering the Senate with a three, no make that now FOUR front war going on - and I'm sure the rest of America isn't either, whatever the Salon Iraq loons like to think not withstanding. AFter all, 2004 was all about Iraq to them too.