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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
Well LeCastor, I did include a link in my previous post as to why Hillary's health care plan has its problems
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/01/opinion/main3779911.shtml
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/obama
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-brandzel/why-john-edwards-believer_b_86333.html
I honestly think he's more progressive and his campaign reflects this: it's grassroots and make savvy use of the Internet. It's what Howard Dean's candidacy showed glimpses until it disastrously imploded. That, and Obama is drawing in huge numbers of young voters and garnering the support of broad swaths of independent and Republican voters. He's chipping away at HRC's base of supporters and winning decisively in states that will be key for a Democrat to win this fall (it will take more than coastal victories to win the general election).
And yeah, charisma has something to do with it. That's not a small thing. Bill Clinton certainly didn't hurt from having it.
How else are you supposed to interpret "Wake up, people" and "Sometimes I think I'm the only sane person around"?! This isn't based on your being a supporter of HRC, but your belittling what other people say. If HRC wins the nomination, I would urge every Democrat to vote for her because that's what ultimately matters: that a Democrat is president.
you wrote:
"There's a difference between idealism, and a religious devotion to a man selling not concrete changes, but just the idea of change/hope."
Alright, since you're clearly just articulating a more eloquent version of "empty suit", I'll try and come at you another way...
It's true he offers the idea of hope...but not concrete changes. That's the nature of hope kiddo, you gotta take a chance.
Why not take that chance? After all, there is no way he can do worse that GWB or McCain now is there?
cheers,
p.s. Trudeau actually mirrors Obama quite well you know...he was pretty lean on credentials prior to his election (2 years as justice minister, editor of a journal for about a decade) but hey, all he did was give Canada a constitution and a Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Sometimes hope pays off.
I honestly think he's more progressive and his campaign reflects this:
So you think, for example, his healthcare plan is more progressive than Hillary's?
Which of his ideas do you think is so progressive?
Which of his ideas is so new and/or hopeful?
Actually, that would be Hillary.
She has been selling herself based on experience. Basically selling you a "safe" candidate.
The thing is, experience didn't stop her voting for the war.
Nor did her extensive foreign policy experience prevent her from calling the leader of Russia, soulless.
Oh, and then going on about how America as a great country, should not be striving to forge personal ties with the leaders of other countries. She was in essence, slamming Bush because he is too "nice."
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=37968§ionid=3510203
I am sure that will keep you out of any more wars.
When asked about inner city unemployment as it relates to immigration, they both said things that were quite telling.
Hillary, said that she understands that illegal immigrants are stealing people's jobs.
Obama said that inner city unemployment predates the current immigration problem, and the real problems behind it need to be adressed.
Now their policies on illegal immigration are the same, save that Obama supports illegal aliens getting drivers licenses. Yet, Hillary, not Obama, Hillary the candidate of cool heads, of experience, was the one to appeal to xenophobia.
If you don't believe me, check it out.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/01/31/2008-01-31_clinton_obama_get_cordial_at_debate.html
Plus, she managed to raise what in any other campaign season would have been a record amount (The amount is second only to Obama) and run into funding problems. By Super Tuesday.
I don't want somebody that bad with managing finances managing the finances of America.
Now, you talk about Obama being the emotional candidate, the emotive choice, I wonder if that emotion, might not be the elation, of possibly finding somebody who looks halfway competent?
It's true he offers the idea of hope...but not concrete changes. That's the nature of hope kiddo, you gotta take a chance.
What? I don't even understand what this combination of hope-change means. I don't buy hope abstractly. What exactly am I supposed to hope for, change? And the change i'm hoping for is...the presence of hope? That seems a little circular. Or do you want me to buy into some sort of religious belief in hope/change? No thanks.
Why not take that chance? After all, there is no way he can do worse that GWB or McCain now is there?
Yes and no. There's no way he can do worse than GWB except that he might not get reelected and we get another Reagan. When you make promises like his, you're setting people up for disaapointment. Look at the Dems in Congress, they got elected all screaming they're going to end the war in Iraq, they haven't, and their approval rating is like literally 10%. That's not good. What's going to happen to the Dem majorities in November? Same shit with Obama and his bakery of pies in the sky.
I provided material that explains why I support him. Why do you support HRC? You haven't provided any explanations.
Look at the Dems in Congress, they got elected all screaming they're going to end the war in Iraq, they haven't, and their approval rating is like literally 10%. That's not good.
It was actually 22% according to the last AP poll; AP/Washington Post has it at 33% last month. (Link at my name.) Which is, you know, a tremendously shitty number and right in the toilet next to Bush's. Which should send a signal that the 'old way' of doing things-- governing with 50% + 1-- doesn't cut it any more, but here you are arguing on behalf of Hillary Clinton, who wasn't present for any FISA votes and seems to think the 50% + 1 strategy is brilliant for both the primaries and the general.
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
219 Democrats and one Republican join in favor of the legislation, which passed by a narrow margin
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
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