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Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:00 AM

How Obama won Wisconsin

The Illinois senator did well with campus liberals, white men, crossover Republicans and independents, but he made inroads into Clinton's working-class base too.

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  • Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:46 PM

    @ Person

    I didn't say Carter was necessarily a bad man or a bad president. I'm talking about what happened in the election of 1980. Watergate was 6 years ago, and americans exchanged a democrat for a rpetty evil Republican. A democrat who couldn't deliver on his promises. Barry seems to be setting himself up for the same exact thing.

    You are trying to preach the politics of despair. Every one of them, is a politician and therefore cannot be trusted, but what use is this? Really, what use is it?

    Say one accepts your theory that they are all rotten lying politicians, does that do anything about the deficit? How about healthcare, does it give healthcare to sick kids? Education? Security?

    And i counter to you, what is use speechifying and repetitions ad nauseam of coming hope and change, without any specifics? What does THAT do for healthcare, education, security? Obama is certainly not someone who is sticking to the issues, or winning on better policy, original ideas, etc.

    He promises change, he promises new ideas, but where are they? Where are his new, innovative ideas that will bring about this much-advertised change? Is the change just that he is promising change? That's the oldest line in the book.

    The politics of despair are very tempting, particularly to a generation raised on "Greed is good" and everyone one wearing black in order to "Assert their individuality."

    How old do you think I am? I'm very likely younger than everyone here.

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