Yes, the Clintons are playing the victim card, you foul mouthed fool. And I'm a 61 year old Vietnam vet. Viva Obama. Your mind is a toxic waste dump. Get help.

Did I hurt your widdle feelings victimboy?

People, people, people....

Can't we all just get along ??

Apparently not - which means Mc Cain & the GOP will be the only true winner come November.

Happy?

***sigh*** You may resume the flamewars now.

Yes, I wanted Edwards, and now I want Obama. But, make no mistake, I will vote with enthusiasm for Ms. Clinton in November if it comes to that. This is a power struggle, not patty cake. Grow up.

I personally, am strongly opposed to her stances on war and censorship, but come November, she is better than McCain.

That said, if she wins expect there to be a big Green vote.

And that, trust me, is a compliment. So you've got a contrarian streak. I guess I must as well, since as a lifelong Republican I've not voted for a Republican Presidential candidate since 1972 (and that didn't turn out so well, come to think of it). So probably we've more in common than not, including our mutual unwillingness to exonerate Colin Powell for his role in the atrocious and stupid so-called war we're in. In fact I very foolishly hope that someday soon we'll have our own war trials here, since we do have a few who qualify as having committed war crimes (although I'm quite sure if it came to that they'd suddenly quit referring to it as a "war").

I'm sure a lot of people are annoyed at having been taken in. It was painful to see it happen around me. It may have cost me a marriage, at least in part.

All in all, I have to say, virtual shouting included, that it's been a pleasure to make your acquaintance. Thank you for having engaged me, my warts and all. And to complete (and compliment) your Yeats quote, I would add, for my part, " I carry from my mother's womb a fanatic heart."

My husband and I will both be voting in the Maryland primary on Tuesday. Our vote has nothing to do with race or gender. It has nothing to do with issues. It simply has to do with electiblility against McCain, and we are both convinced that HRC cannot beat him. Based on that alone, we are both voting for Obama.

"What kind of boneheaded move was that, to make that your first order of business upon acceding to the Oval Office? Well, it was so boneheaded that we ended up with the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, which has resulted in a dramatic increase in the number of troops discharged for homosexuality versus the pre-DADT era, not to mention a four-year-long nightmare for me."

He got into office, and IMMEDIATELY proceeded to waste whatever political capital he had on this idiotic fight. He was goaded into it by gay activists. It was a stupid fight, and he lost, and that was that for the first term. Between the gays in the military and the incompetence of the health care reform, there was nothing accomplished in that first term, except losing the Congress to the Repukes.

That's why I oppose Hillary. We had 8 years of Clinton fun, which mostly involved him looking sheepish in the glare of headlines, me saying "Yes, I still support him!" and getting lots of Republican policies enacted. we didn't get any liberal SC justices, we lost Congress.

So, remind me again why the Clinton years were so good. Yes there was the economic expansion, and Bill get a little, but not much, credit for that.

I, too, have been greatly troubled by some of Ms. Clinton's positions. But I'd be circumspect about a third party vote in a national election. Think Raff Nadir. Or John Anderson. Hey, I started out in the Peace and Freedom party in 68, so I have those sympathies. But you have to build local first, and work you way up. Top down approaches tend to give you Germany in '33. best, tom

The sad part is, he was only goaded into it by *certain* gay activists. The vast majority of the gay community was at that time primarily galvanized around the issue of HIV/AIDS, and in 1992 reacted with more than a little resentment at how the "gays in the military" issue had suddenly catapulted to the front of the queue. So the gay community had absolutely no grassroots capacity to respond to what the right wing threw at them in '92-'93 over the military issue.

A great book on this topic is Virtual Equality by Urvashi Vaid, if you're ever interested.

"A great book on this topic is Virtual Equality by Urvashi Vaid, if you're ever interested."

I will follow up. Appreciate the tip.

The whole period was very sad in many ways. We were just watching Rent, which is an updating of La Boheme, substituting AIDS for TB and the East Village for the 14th Arrondisamont. Between Rent and Angels in America, the whole period of the early phase of the AIDS tsunami is movingly addressed.

I have long viewed Clinton as a tragicly flawed figure. A gifted speaker with no discipline whatsoever is my CHARITABLE interpretation. I hold no huge love for Bill, although his stature has risen in COMPARISON only.

So Obama wins all the contests from the weekend-- Louisiana, Washington, Nebraska, Maine, and the Virgin Islands. He's going to win in Maryland, Virginia and DC on Tuesday. That's 7 (or eight) primaries and caucuses in a row, after winning the majority of states on Super Tuesday.

Meanwhile, Ms. Clinton is loaning herself $5 million (from somewhere-- like four times Obama's net worth), and changing her campaign manager. Her double-digit margins over other Democrats have evaporated, and poll after poll shows Obama beating John McCain by larger margins than Hillary.

Obviously, the Hillary Clinton supporters should do the gracious and honorable thing and urge their candidate to quit now and support Barack Obama as the Democratic nominee for the good of the party. If they are indeed TRULY eager to have a Democrat in the White House, it's the most logical and effective thing for them to do. Right? Obviously. No cult of personality among Hillary's supporters. No bitterness, no sense of entitlement, no outrage over mismanaging a campaign of inevitability into the ground. Obviously.