(And that's against her relentless desire to *take your tax money and mine and give it to the military industrial complex, who has have shown time and time again they they aren't even as competent as your average McDonald's worker.*)

I am now too tired to operate keyboard machinery correctly.

But I want to say that for the record, on the threads here and all over the web, the Obama supporters overall, are much more into insults and name-calling than Hillary supporters. They are very hypocritical indeed, with all their desire for "Unity," "Hope," and "Change." It begins at home, on the inside. It's a personal responsibility. One day the candidate that you are infatuated with will no longer be making speeches about it, and then what will you do. "Unity," "Hope," and "Change" aren't commodities that can be purchased and "had" just when you support a certain candidate who talks about them a lot. If you support "Unity," "Hope," and "Change," they should start now, inside you. And many of you should stop being such hypocrites. It is also sad how many people who claim to be progressive and not racist, still make so many insults that are sexist. Well, just remember, when you make such insults, it reflects more about you than the person or persons you're insulting.

How are we ever going to solve our country's substantial problems when people are always obsessed about all things superficial?

I was thinking today about how different the world might be if Al Gore had been officially, more completely, elected. We might be in a better position about global warming around the world. Then again, most people never seem to believe anything until it is obvious and almost too late.

When he was running, I was so excited about having an intelligent, qualified candidate. But he was too stiff, and not as likeable to a lot of people as Bush was. So now we've had Bush.

The qualifications for the election of our next president are very serious.

We need to have other priorities beyond style and likeability.

I would much rather have had Gore and Kerry than Bush.

About Iraq: It seems that she believed the intelligence. Maybe after 9-11, many politicians thought it was better to be safe than sorry. After all, there was intelligence pre-9-11, that was not believed. And Saddam was quite the eccentric. Who could really know what he was up to? I doubted he actualy had weapons of mass destruction because the sanctions he'd been under should have made it impossible. But I still didn't know for sure. If Colin Powell believed it enough - you would think it's more legitimate. I was against the resolution to go to war. But I don't have the responsibility of the nation to consider. And Saddam was a deceitful, sneaky one.

I think Kerry is another example of someone who thought Bush would go the diplomatic route, and the resolution was just to show the threat of force, and that we meant serious business.

Too late to talk about Iran right now, but Hillary may choose not to vote like a "weak liberal," but that does not mean that she is a militarist, or war monger. National security is a very difficult balancing act. And the truth is that in the trenches of the upper levels of government, there's no escaping military affiliations.

But most importantly, she does not deserve the blame for Iraq.

She didn't want those results.

Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld, inc. were the ones who acted like the military were their toy soldiers, complete with Bush's real "scorecard" of all the people he wanted captured or killed.

What, you mean the way that Hillary Supporters throw around terms like "Loony liberals"?

You know, because it is not like the "Loony liberals" have been right about the economy, about the war, and about the environment has it? Oh, wait.

I make no bones about being passionate in my arguments. I do not expect Hillary supporters to be otherwise.

What I do expect is Hillary supporters to stop playing such pathetic little victims when they are using exactly the same means of argument.

All you fuckers are doing is the exact same "poor me" play the Bushies have been pulling for the last seven years, and I for one am sick of it. Chronic victimhood is not an attractive trait in a presidential candidate.

What I do expect is Hillary supporters to stop playing such pathetic little victims when they are using exactly the same means of argument.

All you fuckers are doing is the exact same "poor me" play the Bushies have been pulling for the last seven years, and I for one am sick of it. Chronic victimhood is not an attractive trait in a presidential candidate.

What exactly in these posts constitutes Clinton supporters acting like victims? And what exactly is "chronic victimhood"? I'd like some specific examples instead of the over-used, stereotypical phrases.

NOTE: Just because YOU say it over and over and over again does not make it true.

NOTE II: Just because you close your eyes and ears so you can't see and hear HRC's supporters doesn't make us disappear.

NOTE III... Just because you say, "I wish they would leave", "I wish they would leave", "I wish they would leave" doesn't make it happen.

FINAL NOTE: See NOTE AND NOTES II & III.

the fact that "loony liberals" are projecting their hopes onto him is yet another piece of evidence that his appeal is based on emotion, which isn't inherently bad, but when the emotional response isn't grounded in, backed by, connected to, whatever, tangible policy realities, the emotional response is liable to be unstable.

I'm very argumentative but I'm well able to see the funny side of things. If everybody says "That's great" about something or other, there's some predisposition I have to argue that it's not. That doesn;t mean that I'd exonerate Colin Powell. My critical faculty was very much dormant when America declared war on Iraq and I'm probably annoyed to have been "taken in" as well as angry about the consequences. I'll finish with a bit of Yeats "Out of Ireland have I come, much hate, little room, has maimed us from the start". I don't think I hate anyone although I'm able to despise, which is a different matter. I must rush now. Thanks for trying to sort things out.