I think my post ranks # 2 in dumbness.

Yours implying that Hillary and JFK share any political attributes whatsoever trumps my dumb post...And furthermore, he was prettier than she too. :)

Someone on another thread, said that Obama is attracting all the white males. Not in the South, Hillary was getting 60-70% of white male votes.

Democrats who think that the important thing is to avoid having a fight with the "right wing," may end up with a pleasasnt but losing campaign. Obama is a candidate that cannot compete toe to toe with war-hero McCain, and McCain is very competitive for independent voters, soccer moms, and basically Hillary's constituency (minus some blue-collars) despite his 100-year war threat.

I don't know which of the two of them would do better, but there seem to be more obama supporters who seem to be hysterically resistant to focusing on this question, (I know it isn't only them) and this suggests either gamesmanship or some sort of sincere emotionally based denial.

You aren't getting it.

We cannot go on like this. We can't go on spending more and more money on the military, money we *don't have*, much of which *is stolen from us by corruption*.

We cannot afford to be in perpetual war. And even if we could, it's morally wrong.

One day America will elect a President who will spend less on the military -- or America will run out of money and collapse. Take your pick.

appreciate it, but if there's one thing there's been no shortage of on these threads it's obama supporters, or those who claim to be them, telling the rest of us how enthused they are about him.

I just read through about 20 pages of letters, amazed by all the vitriol, but tranfixed. I am not sure I get where it's coming from, though I feel it myself. I am an Obama supporter, though I'll vote for HRC with no remorse and even some joy in the general election if it comes to that. And yet, I find myself wanting to pile on the CLinton supporters == particularly when they are being unfair, but even when they're not. I think it's because we (or almost all of us) know how very high the stakes are this year. I just hope we're not inflicting mortal wounds.

"I don't know which of the two of them would do better, but there seem to be more obama supporters who seem to be hysterically resistant to focusing on this question, (I know it isn't only them) and this suggests either gamesmanship or some sort of sincere emotionally based denial."

Most Obama supporters are like me, in my unscientific opinion. I am NOT convinced that he is the second coming or anything like that. I am reasonably convinced that he is a gifted speaker, and with good skills politically. I do not believe that he is perfect, nor will it be easy for him to win. I also believe that Hillary is a good person with good ideas.

I had enough of the Clintons in 1999, however. Once is enough

We Obama supporters have a nuanced view of him.

If you want to support your candidate by comparison to a movie, then I would have to say it reminds me of:

"The Manchurian Candidate"

Starring:

Barack Obama as the candidate

Claire McCaskill as the mother (Meryl Streep wannabe)

Thank you Roger64 for saying a kind word for the Clintons.These Clinton haters never had it so good as when Bill was president. Hillary would make an excellent president but these uninformed who are backing Obama who is the most unqualified of anyone in either party just don't understand that..The republican's and old high tempered McCain will chew and spit Obama out before he know's what they are up to.Obama would be as bad as Bush they both think they know everything when in fact they know very little.The main reason these people hate Hillary is she is more intelligent than they,some people can't stand a smart woman.With all the name calling and trashing of Hillary makes one wonder how they treat their wives and mothers. We probably don't want to know.

if not then why is it an issue? why are you even bringing it up? Are you suggesting that there are lots of people out there who would vote for obama over mccain but mccain over hillary? Lets discuss this fact or alleged fact directly then. This is just the kind of weird emotionalism from obama supporters that I am talking about.

If anyone would know piss, it'd be you. Cite one sexist post of mine. You don't have to be female to be a douche bag. Bill's more of a bitch than Hillary ever thought about being. Have a Midol on me. Make it a double.

I don't think cacusus is representative enough for democracy. In primaryy election, everybody has a vote and it is more representative. In cacusus, there is way to "organize" (or manupulate) the results. Obama only needs to send his followers to solicit all the neighbors and family and friends to vote for him.

I guess Hillary's camp might think she would have won by now, as a result, they didn't organize equally well as Obama for these cacusus races. Unfortunately.

I am praying that she will regain her momentum in TX and OH.

(One time supporter of Obama. He just looks too arrogant for me. Also, no matter how inspiring his speech is, listening too many times, it rings shallow. I have the buyer's remorse. Hopefully, people will think clearly if he is really the one.)

Cute. I liked that movie. And you're right, there are a lot of people blindly following Obama based on a few inspirational speeches...just like there are a lot of screaming Hillbots still over on another letters stream telling Kate Michelman she's a gender traitor. And you know what? Either of those camps, if their candidates are ultimately successful, are going to wind up every bit as disappointed as many of us were in Bill Clinton, when they find out that both Clinton and Obama are politicians, nothing more, nothing less.

However, the fact that there are both Hillbots and Obamaniacs doesn't form a basis for you to leap to the conclusion that *all* Obama supporters are with him only because they have fallen under some sort of hypnotic spell. Let me try to explain this one more time: I think that he is an extraordinarily *gifted* politician. Someone who supports policies that I like, *and* has that kind of gift, is someone who has a tremendous potential to deliver things of real value to this country. I required no hallucinogenic drugs of any kind in order to come to this conclusion.

Moreover, as much as you express concern and worry for what happens when these poor naive fools wake up to the reality of Obama, I'm every bit as concerned for the feminists who think that having a woman president is going to "change everything," because "women just do things differently from men" (this latter is a direct quote from someone posting in response to the Michaelman piece). Can they, do they really just assume that a woman in the White House means better policies for women? Isn't it just as likely that the first woman in that position is going to overcompensate in her efforts to become a full member of the "boys' club," and/or shut other women out to a *greater* extent than a male president might?