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Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:00 AM

Hillary's time of troubles

As Clinton and Obama spoke to Virginia Democrats on Saturday, the crowd's response -- and returns from Nebraska, Washington and Louisiana -- showed how the tide is turning.

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Sunday, February 10, 2008 03:28 PM

Salt of the earth

From UsingEnglish.com:

* People who are salt of the earth are decent, dependable and unpretentious.

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They are not the "Salt of the earth", they are people with their own opinions and own reasons, and deserve more respect than to be termed a cowardly breed of noble peasant.

Where did you get your definition? Did you just make it up, like a lot of other things?

Given that this is your opinion of people who work for a living and who are most likely to vote for Hillary Clinton, what does it say about your candidate that he can't seem to attract this demographic? Maybe he also thinks they are a "cowardly breed of noble peasant," instead of "decent, dependable and unpretentious."

for the love of God (or deity of choice) please speak passionately with your elderly and senior matriarchs and persuade them to cast a vote for Obama, to take a chance on change instead of the perceived comfort of the past, to follow in Kennedy's words almost fifty years ago when he said the 'torch has passed'. Time to let the Clintons and the boomers to move on, enjoy their retirement and let a new generation of Americans take the mantle.

Yeah, good luck with that, kiddo.

How about instead, you ask for their advice and listen to their wisdom for once. See what they think about a candidate who doesn't fully support universal health care and thinks Social Security is "in crisis."

Don't be so eager. You still have to learn from experience and work your way up. Nobody handed anything to your elders, so you should not ask them to hand this to you.

Sunday, February 10, 2008 03:28 PM

Maureen O's Drama.

First she offers shameless hyperbolic drama equating Hillary's with the Nazi Germany's good solidier. She reminds of Hillary's (and presumably only Hillary) responsiblity to think through every step she takes for it's grave consequences and that moving finger writing. Let's just call it "Personal responsibility for Hillary"

No one else though.

In her next dramatic breath, London and Madrid bombings are not the fault of Al Quaida operatives. No personal responsiblity for Al Quaida. Yanking our strings in teary andecodotals, she breathlessly precedes to inform us defacto that Colin Powell MADE Al Qaida and it's sympathizers take out civilians in London and Madrid.

Ain't it wonderful for al Al Qaida they have nutjobs like MO to reassign the responsiblity of their bloodshed. Maybe botox must has paralized the brain cell neurotransmission as well as the muscles used to frown.

Sunday, February 10, 2008 03:34 PM

Maureen O.

Considering Al Qaida had already tried to take down the WTC and thousands of American civilians in 2002, long before Bush, Iraq, Colin Powell or Hillary's Senate seat, you'll pardon me I hope if I find your "Blame It All on Hillarys Vote" dribble with a big block of salt.

Critical thinking apparently not your strong suit. I agree with the person who suggested you children listen to the wisdom of your elders for once.

Sunday, February 10, 2008 03:39 PM

@anonymous

You sound both angry and impersonal in your posts here. People have joked about paid operatives, but are you one?

Your attack on Maureen is unwarranted by the way. She has already said that she doesn't like Obama and thereby appears to prefer Clinton. Telling her that she's stupid and takes botox because you mistakenly think that she is attacking Clinton is mysogynistic and disgusting.

I wrote you a post earlier asking about yourself. Even if you don't want to reveal your name, do you read Thomas Friedman's columns? Do you think he is a neoliberal? Do you agree with Paul Krugman? How do you feel about globalization? What are your beliefs? What do you have invested in this race on a more personal level?

And for the record, I think you owe Maureen and probably others too an apology for the personal attack.

Sunday, February 10, 2008 03:43 PM

doloresflower - on your experience with outsourcing

I am so sorry. It cannot be easy for you to go to work and be told to justify actually doing your job.

I understand. My former job used to involve working with programmers who built models that helped consumer packaged goods understand what parts of their marketing programs were most efficient and impactful, or, whether they could increase price profitably, etc. When the company decided to move 70% of the programming jobs to India, even though I wasn't a technical person, my job was eliminated because the staff I worked with were gone, although the clients I worked with were not. But, they saw it as a way to reduce headcount further.

I don't celebrate outsourcing the way the authors you mentioned do (I wonder how Friedman would feel if the NYTimes decided to outsource his job?) but I don't think we can hide from the world, the genie is out of the bottle. I think Romney was kidding the workers in Michigan when he told them their old jobs were coming back. I think if you lose your job and you are over 40, as I did, you have to accept the fact that you are in for a year's search, at best, and you will probably get something with half the salary. I was lucky to get health benefits, many people don't. The best thing you can do it keep the resume up-to-date and, if you see a chance to take something that you want, who cares if you are already working? Do what is good for you and forget about the company, because they have forgotten about you.

Sunday, February 10, 2008 03:44 PM

@whitecat

You still have to learn from experience and work your way up.

My biggest concern is they never do; or if they do another group of aspiring crackpots is back to replace them every four years. This has been going on since Humphrey v Nixon where in the same stripe the then neolefties insisted on punishing a strong center-left candidate by withholding their votes and enabling a Nixon win. After that the next group and the remains of the first went and destroyed our chances by nominating George McGovern, the leftmost of our candidates clearly unviable by all objective analysis. We know how well that went. Carter got a term despite rather than because of them after Nixon was impeached by bringing back some of the southern vote we were losing. Then they insisted that Mondale run against Reagan by saying he would raise taxes to be "fair and honest" at the insistance of the left. WE all know too how well that </> went. (Later Mondale couldn't even win his Senate seat of MN against Coleman). The left then insisted on backing Dukakis for another near landslide defeat. Finally enough concerned, sick of losing, Democrats got together and formed the alliance that has given them virtually all new Senate seats and 2 terms of Bill Clinton - the center left DLC - and the neolib nutjobs favorite boogeyman. Naturally they attacked a successful Democratic organization (relentlessly with much help from neolib convert Howard Dean who had an ox to gore with the DLC who (correctly) considered his presidency unviable). Flashback in 2000, the left persisted in it's old ways and insisted Gore was a Republican , his sin was having a few shares of an oil stock in a trust fund handed to him. Well that proved it. Nader siphoned off enough votes to cost Gore the election and to ensure the Florida debacle was even possible for Poppy Inc and Friends.

Not satisifed after 8 years of Bush's wholesale assault on working Americans (not to mention progressive legislators) they persist in fucking us up by launching a similar infantilic irrational rant at Hillary.

They are their own fucking worst enemies and they are definitely the worst enemy of any Democrat who wants to WIN an election.

Sorry I'm ranting but 30 years later there's really just ono excuse for the neoleft to be this STUPID.

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