I think you know what I meant, as you filled out the body of the statement pretty well. What I meant (pardon the deep sigh as I feel I am repeating) is: We can commit to the same sort of thing we were doing for decades -- before it finally totally blew up in our faces over the past seven years -- yes, choose the status quo which led us to where we are now. Or not.

No, don't need a puppy, thank you. Or did you mean something else by that? I was talking about Presidents. Human ones. But thanks anyway.

That closer about "risking it" when you're 92 or have contracted a terminal disease sounds awfully conservative, even by my standards!

It is a choice, though, and it's still a wide-open race. May the best person win. And that's sincere.

MJ Koch has to be a Republican pretending to be an Obama supporter. The sheer level of viciousness, hostility, and anger leveled against Hillary by some of these Obama supporters makes me very suspicious.

They're here every major election doing the same thing. Feeding the left into propping up a third party candidate or a weak leftie.

As to the woman saying how great it was that Republicans and Independents were voting in a Democratic primary - you are incredibly niave.

Well, yeah, fools really think they're there to help Obama and they never learn otherwise.

Alecsmom:

You keep coming back to me and stating that I am not reading your post as you want me to.

Maybe you should read it again and just agree you insinuated that the administration of the GWB administration was better than Clintons.

I don't remember being at war during the Clinton administration or having so much debt, so you tell me what you meant.

HERE IS YOUR ORIGINAL POST

First, many Dems, like myself, voted for Bill twice and felt burned by the lack of progress on what we see as democratic platform issues.

Bill was a moderate president, period. No major movement in either direction overall. That's not say that he (or Hillary) might not have wanted to do more, that's to say that it didn't happen. Personally, I think that Bill's weaknesses as a person contributed mightily to his inability to rally the country behind important issues. Even GWB has done better at this and he has been a failure as a leader. Now why should we expect Hillary to deliver much better than her far-more-popular husband?

MY RESPONSE:

YOU TELL ME HOW YOUR REFERENCE AND COMPARISON OF GWB HAS HELPED AMERICA...

ARE WE ALWAYS GOING TO PENALIZE HILLARY CLINTON? SHE WORKED ALL OF HER LIFE FOR THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA AND NEVER IS SHE OR WAS SHE TO BLAME FOR ANY ISSUES DURING HER HUSBANDS PRESIDENCY.

ncawley wrote: "ARE WE ALWAYS GOING TO PENALIZE HILLARY CLINTON? SHE WORKED ALL OF HER LIFE FOR THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA AND NEVER IS SHE OR WAS SHE TO BLAME FOR ANY ISSUES DURING HER HUSBANDS PRESIDENCY."

I just have to respond to this line that Hillary Clinton "worked all her life for the people of America."

It's funny because most of Hillary's non-First-Lady career was spent on the boards of directors for large corporations.

Re: "Are you being serious? This has to be the most fantastical argument ever. I don't even know where people are getting this stuff."

I live in the West, and I don't know why, but a lot of people like McCain. He and Arnold will campaign all over the region. Obama didn't win anything out here, even with the help of Oprah and Ted Kennedy, so he will have to campaign here, which will cost him time and money.

who loses big blue states like California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and crucial swing states like Arizona, Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. If Obama's vaunted momentum (catch the wave, dudes) doesn't net him Ohio on March 4 and/or Pennsylvania in April, he won't be the nominee, no matter how many delegates he picks up in the Virgin Islands.

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I'm confused. I thought the Clintons moved to NY in 2000. The Senate's terms are six years, right? She voted to authorize Bush's authority in 2002, not run in 2002. She's not up for re-election in 2008, she won re-election in 2006.

A win in LA ,the state (after Alabama and MI) with the highest black vote in the nation goes to Obama as does WA, the state with the highest number of Dem lefties per capita in the nation.

Yet somehow Shapiro predictably turns it into a national trend and the subject for his late Hillary bashing diatribes.

It's incredulous to believe Salon was once noteable for quality investigative reporting.

Mr. Shapiro you can and will be held accountable for the Democratic loss of the election.

Hope and stump speeching won't do jack to fix the mess we're in.

PS - I'd love to know what sweeping liberal revolution oh-so-reasoned individual's like "AlecsMom" wanted Clinton to do with a Republican Congress at his ass most of his years. He got the FMLA through, ran the most labor friendly administration in 30 years, had real environmentalists in the EPA and real watchdogs in the SEC and appointed liberal judiciaries. Now you've seen 8 years of the opposite and all you can do is sit on your ass and act to bring about more of it.

Sad, but the other person is right. This country is fucking unhinged.

You wrote: "It's funny because most of Hillary's non-First-Lady career was spent on the boards of directors for large corporations."

Actually, this is false, but even if it were true, are we to assume it would have been better for her just to be in the pocket of a single slumlord?

I read all the words in front of me and no, actually I don't listen to sound bytes. (That's a fact). I notice you seem to be referring to two different posts of yours. I have less problem (though still some) with you commanding people to "know" what they're talking/writing about. How many people here really do know? How does one establish that sort of credibility on line? It's not that easy, especially when semantics are used as subterfuge (and I'm not accusing you of that, but it sure is done a lot on here). But you did ask of AlecsMom "How dare you" impugn or otherwise question (not your words, paraphrasing, just want to be sure you realize that) the holy Clinton years. Did you not?

By the way, I have been a long time admirer and supporter of Bill Clinton, worked hard to help get him elected, donated money to MoveOn.com to help get the vultures off his back during the Bad Old Days. So I'm not desecrating that. I'm just saying it's over, it's past, it's history and it's not what we need right now, nor is it what we are supposedly getting in Ms. Clinton.

But I would have a right to say it if I believed it.