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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
It is amazing how many facts seem to be made up as people write to these threads. Many of you have written as though Clinton received some sort of huge victory. She did not. She receive 20 more delegates. It doesn't matter that she carried the big states. In total popular vote, she received 49% and he received 48%. Not at all the victory the Clintons had intended. Be careful what you wish for,Clinton will not pull Independents and Republicans in November. When over 50% of the country say they will never vote to return the Clintons to the White House, they really mean it.
I really want a Democratic president after the disastrous Bush years, but I just could not bring myself to vote for Hillary in the general election. She never adequately apologized or admitted making a mistake for authorizing Bush's Iraq adventure, her integrity is highly questionable, and she has long been a central fixture in the corrupt, party apparatus that has been so pathetic against the Republicans. I suspect I am not alone in these sentiments, nor will I be alone in sitting out a Clinton-McCain election.
Introducing legislation is different from passing legislation. Jaben is comparing apples to oranges: legislation that Barack Obama has introduced vs. legislation that Hillary Clinton has authored which has actually passed. This is incredibly misleading. Less than 10% of all introduced legislation actually becomes law.
"You're lies make me sick."
Jaben, the word is "your" not "you're."
SusieQ2 says HRC only won the popular vote 49% to 48%. Where I come from, that means she won. Obama should have got to Scalia and asked him to stop the vote counting, because accurate results could do him irreparable damage. Obama and Bush look more and more alike. No experience, no real message, and a deep belief by their supporters that winning the popular vote doesn't mean all that much. And a mean campaign. Maybe for a girl's win to count it has to be by 20%, or else we can just keep abusing her for being a girl. Sounds like the rule with some people.
Once again the so called "pollsters" are not even close...Check out Zogbys polls from Feb 4th...Could they be more wrong? When I woke up this morning and read all the headlines it almost looked like Obama had won...The Spin is amazing!...The New Oxford Dictionary should add the following word (Axlerodian - to claim victory in defeat, to yarn loudly with eyes closed)...
Jaben, your statement about Senator Clinton's legislative record is willfully misleading. I will contend that you have been knowingly deceitful in posting it here. Before I give you the proper record, I want to point out to everyone that your list and comments on it are entirely lifted from a book by Dick Morris. Perhaps you've heard of him? No? Well, he's someone that most politically aware people know of as a tireless Hillary-basher who has devoted himself to stopping her candidacy no matter the cost, truth be damned.
Not exactly an objective or truthful observer.
First, here is a link to a review of the Dick Morris book from which you wholly lifted your "facts." Note the exact match between your post and the list in the link:
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/10/23/223205.shtml
In point of fact, Hillary Clinton has sponsored 352 bills since Jan. 22, 2001 and co-sponsored 1713 bills during that same time frame. Here's a link:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=300022
Barack Obama has sponsored 129 bills since Jan. 4, 2005 and co-sponsored 535 bills during that same time frame. Here is a link to his record:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.xpd?id=400629
I find it significant that though you posted a link to legislative records, you recommended that the reader not bother to follow it and simply read your list-- to "save" them "the trouble" as you put it. Perhaps your real motive was to keep readers from checking your facts since you knew they would not hold up.
No matter what the point of view here on Salon, I have always believed that the posts on this site are offered with integrity and honor. I cannot say that of your post. You have sullied the nature of discourse here.
As Bill Clinton would say, "Shame on you."
Yeah, keep hiding behind her skirts and her tears - that will do. And comparing Obama to Bush? When Hillary voted twice for HIS war - and HIS Patriot act - and HIS Iran resolution, and HIS credit card bill?
But pretend she's despised for being a girl
wah, wah, wah...
by graduating from college, hanging out with powerful people, and being a one term senator?
Sounds improbable, but this is what Hill Clinton is, a nobody really.
No guy would ever get elected with such weak credentials. But we are expected to traipsy into the voting booth and stick her in the White House why? Because she has a vagina?
Never mind her nasty attitude and penchant for even bigger government.
I just checked the site Jaben linked to and found him to be lying. Hillary's record is much more extensive than he would have one believe.
Again, I appologise.
Uhhhh...GWB?
While I don't actually favor Clinton over Obama for president (I was an Edward's supporter.) I find some of the lies spewed by his supporters to be a big turn off. I went to the library of Congress website and both Clinton and Obama have sponsored or co-sponsored 100-120 bills and amendments in 2007/2008. Clinton has four sponsored bills which passed into law and Obama has three.
I don't know where this guy is getting his info. Shame on anyone for listening to him. I mean, really, do you think if Clinton were such a light weight legislator, the Obama campaign would not have already jumped on this.
This was about as close to factual as Ms. Traister's pro-Clinton advocacy got...
Super Tuesday will likely look like an exceptionally close result between two well-matched and highly competitive candidates. But going into Tuesday night, it felt as though Hillary Clinton was about to get walloped, and as the evening started, her supporters had milled distractedly around the ballroom, projecting not blithe confidence, but a palpable sense that they had come a long way to get what perhaps would be their final look at their candidate.
13 (or 14) states for Obama to 8 states for Clinton. Yes, bigger populations in the blue-state wins for Clinton, meatier delegate counts, but a far cry from the Clinton cakewalk that was expected when she started her campaign, a far cry from "the inevitable candidate" to "hey, did didn't get our asses kicked, after all!" And this from the Establishment Democrat candidate, not the underdog, although the Clintons have mastered the "comeback kid" narrative. It's like when the Yankees come from behind and win one -- who knew they could do it?
They should have played "I Will Survive" as the theme song for the evening, although whether Clinton's candidacy makes it across the finish line remains to be seen. She's not the underdog in this race, so her having to fight tooth and nail for her wins would seem to point to her weakness as a candidate, not her strength.
Clinton was a sure bet a year ago, and now her staff and her followers are overjoyed that their person didn't get stomped on Super Tuesday. Seems defeatist, but at least it's a good dress rehearsal for the general election, that lingering sense of doom and defeat. Get used to that emotion, because McCain is going to serve it up piping hot, unless you're able to figure out how to win independents.
The imagery of the cannon firing red, white, and blue confetti was evocative, Ms. Traister -- it's symbolic of the blanks Clinton's firing in this election. The only thing missing is the flag with "BANG!" coming out of the end of the cannon.
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219 Democrats and one Republican join in favor of the legislation, which passed by a narrow margin
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