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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
For what is worth, you get my praise for doing the right thing. The right thing is never a small thing.
Flat out lies must have a home and that home is in the trash.
Now you are counting your chickens before they hatch. You are hopin'. No one knows yet who the Democratic nominee will be. Moreover, I find the arguments about electability increasing specious. They are spouted all over the place as a sort of received wisdom by so-called journalists whose main purpose is ... oh gee, I don't know ... maybe to try to make it a forgone conclusion. If everyone is going to spend from now until November repeating what talking heads and columinists have said, the discourse here at Salon is going to get lamer and lamer.
Sadly, it already shows scant substance. If I could wish one thing from this whole process, it would be that people would become more skeptical, less gullible, and learn some critical thinking skills. And I don't exclude myself from that. I, too, make mistakes. When I make factual mistakes, I hope people will point them out by referring me to source material that is viable and not just opinion pieces.
Play nice? Surely you jest. The point is that a star has been awarded to someone who has plagiarized. Is it playing nice to avoid pointing out that this is so? If that is playing nice it is a craven sort of playing nice and I don't want any part of it.
---How is this my fault? Since when am I responsible for responding to crackpot posts? If you every responded to every nutty post in these forums, you'd be here all night. If you want someone to place your misguided anger toward, I'd suggest the Salon editors---after all, they're the ones who give the stars.
This is not about Clinton and Obama. This is about what sort of dialogue you want to take place here at Salon. As a former English teacher, I flunked people like Jaben for plagiarizing. It is absolutely astonishing to me that Obama supporter would want Jaben's false and, moreover, stolen, claims to stand as representative of the Obama point of view here at Salon.
---I don't know Jaben and he does not speak for me. Again, take it up with the Salon editors.
Don't tell me to play nice! Why don't you try playing ethically? Think about it. What does it say about your cause and your support of your candidate if you choose to ignore this when you should be loudly protesting the lie?
---Nutty posters write nutty things because they want attention. Why give them what they want?
To me, it begins to speak to the fact that perhaps people posting here on behalf of Obama should get a lot more scrutiny concerning the information that they are posting.
---No, one nutty poster is just that: one nutty poster.
Your assertions are ridiculous. I'm not responsible for the actions of someone else (especially a random letter-poster) solely because we support the same candidate. It's clear that the post is riddled with errors, and that fact has been pointed out over and over again in these letters. When I say something inaccurate, that's when I'll take responsibility for it.
I second the motion to remove Jaben's star.
I haven't said anything about his electability vs. hers, nor have I counted any upcoming elections in his column. I merely pointed out that at this point, only a moron (in this case, our pal Wes) would say she's got it wrapped up. Since you're so interested in the accuracy of others, I'll expect a retraction shortly.
That personal attack. These Obamamites are SO emotional.
What happens when you're not in bed?
Only a fool would think otherwise.
Why is it that you remind me so much, in tone, in content, and in style - of the Ann Coulterite rightwing that went on about Bush haters and them filthy lib'ruls?
Maybe it is the need to phrase Obama supporters as overly emotional? You know, because having a candidate you can be passionate about is a bad thing? Because you know, shucks having people who will gladly hit the streets to support a Democratic candidate is a surefire way to lose the next elections?
Does not do retractions. The emotional dump about Obama and the so called "snub" was a quite a scene she made. When it was pointed out that Hillary had actually "snubbed" Obama in the Senate after he announced his intentions to run, what was AKA's response ?....stony silence.
AKA, just so you know, there are many who don't support your lunatic rantings on Salon, so please don't speak for this group.
I've condensed my outlook on Coulter down to one sentence. I've offered it up on several authors threads and rightfully so it's been deleted every time.
I now offer it up again.
I will not be content until Coulter is face down in her grave, with my dick in her butt.
I finally found a link (why didn't I look here before?) to a media site that is not so blatantly biased against Hillary. I don't have much time in my life to be a true news junkie or politics wonk, but I stay abreast enough to know a bias when I see one. I don't know exactly why much of the press is so anti-Hillary, but it is obvious to me that it is. Clearly, I am pro-Hillary, so that explains my own bias. My reasons for supporting Hillary also explain why I am honestly confounded by the media's -- how can I put this? -- naivete. I was listening to NPR coverage the other day (even NPR doesn't seem as even handed as I'd like), and they aired an interview with a black leader in Harlem (can't remember who). This guy -- admittedly, from a generation older than many of Obama's supporters -- noted that not only had Hillary been to Harlem "hundreds" of times (compared with Obama, who I believe he said had been there twice) but that his vote was for Hillary because of this: We are at war, he said, and we need a person in the White House who can, on Day 1, consult a pretty hefty Rolodex. Sure, either Hillary or Obama will have the same 100-day honeymoon to try to enact some similar domestic proposals (but even there, I think Hillary has many more years of experience -- and, yes, I do think experience is important); however, in the end, I'm afraid much of the next four (or more likely eight) years is going to be devoted to dealing with the war Bush has left us and the huge deficit (largest, I think, to date?) that has resulted. I am just not comfortable leaving this war mess to a newbie. And at the same time, health care and education reform are my No. 1 domestic priorities -- and Hillary has the experience in both policy arenas. As the fellow from Harlem so aptly put it, this is not the time for "on-the-job training." Anyway, thank you, Salon.com, for providing media coverage that doesn't make my skin crawl.
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