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I watched Hillary's speech last night, though I am an Obama supporter. I don't want to dislike Hillary or anything, and I will vote for her if she gets the nomination. But her speech last night was terrible! I was very disappointed listening to it. She sounded like a kid who just got socks and underwear for Christmas instead of an Wii. Robotic is too kind a word for it. She had no passion, no fire, and she missed her own applause cues. It was like she was reading a grocery list. My gut feeling was that she realized that her chance for the nomination was lost last night. She needed to knock Obama out, but instead he won more delegates, more states and is now in a position to keep winning thanks to the huge number of small donors that support his campaign.
Obama on the other hand gave an amazing, impassioned, patriotic, and moving speech. It was the kind of oratory that will bring more and more voters into the Democratic fold and left me feeling pumped up for the election to come.
"We are the ones we've been waiting for!"
Big Time. You don't lose California and New York big and be the nominee. It's impossible.
I don't mind people make electibility as a factor in their decision, but quoting the pundits on alleged negative rating of HRC is really maddening, for those pundits have buried HRC many times during her career and none has pan out. One thing that Obama supporters have avoided mentioning is HRC got most votes from lower and middle income whites which will be crucial in the battleground states. Sure, Obama got around 80% of the black votes in South, Obama supporters imply that those voters and the young voters will defect to Republicans in the general election if he loses to HRC which is totally false. I am sure some Obama supporters will sit out the election and pout if their man lose. To me that's an implied race card played by the Obama supporters since the beginning. As an Asian-American I really dislike the fact that nobody will touch the issue that an accomplished white female working for children and equal rights for 35 years with her resume got only 18% of black votes in Georgia, while an black(as currently defined by Americans) with minimal history on fighting racism(he's suppose to transcend race or post racial) got 80%, to me that's an elephant in the room nobody sees or sees but was afraid of touching or risk being called a racist.
I'm an independent. I don't want another 4 years of Republicans in the White House. But I will vote for a bag of sand if it keeps HRC from becoming Commander-in-Chief.
Obama Lost Last Night Big Time. You don't lose California and New York big and be the nominee. It's impossible.
Kerry won New York and California in the general. So did Gore. A lot of good it did them. HRC could and probably would win those states in the general, but if she's the candidate, you're still going to be watching McCain on TV for the next 4 years.
Obama would also win New York and California in the general, and that story has a different ending.
Isn't even the sure GOP nominee yet. Hillary is the dems.
McCain Isn't even the sure GOP nominee yet. Hillary is the dems.
OK, you're obviously out of touch with reality. Thanks for the conversation, however brief it turned out to be. Best wishes with the medication.
"Obama Lost Last Night Big Time. You don't lose California and New York big and be the nominee. It's impossible."
This is going to get a little complicated, so I'll use as many small words as possible.
The name of the game is delegates.
Obama got more of these "delegates" last night than did Clinton.
First one to 2025 wins.
Only one Obama supporter has done this. We should all be clamoring to have this star taken from Jaben. It shows an appalling lack of ethics that more are not doing so. What does it say about Obama supporters (who will scream "dirty campaigning" at the Clinton camp's slightest criticism of Obama) that they will not stand on a high ground of decency and attack Jaben's dishonest post. Did you all plagiarize your way through college? No? Then why don't you criticize the person who would post plagiarized material here?
@ Slackie Onassis, rebecalouise, Czarina: Why have you not disavowed Jaben's starred, plagiarizing and misleading and disgustingly manipulative post?
Only one Obama supporter has done this. We should all be clamoring to have this star taken from Jaben. It shows an appalling lack of ethics that more are not doing so. What does it say about Obama supporters (who will scream "dirty campaigning" at the Clinton camp's slightest criticism of Obama) that they will not stand on a high ground of decency and attack Jaben's dishonest post. Did you all plagiarize your way through college? No? Then why don't you criticize the person who would post plagiarized material here?
---Because plenty of people have already done so. Why be repetitive?
---Cheap shot about plagiarism. You don't know who we are and such a comment is insulting and way out of bounds.
Die-hard Hillary Clinton supporters will probably question any poll that puts their favored candidate in an unfavorable light, but this is from the New York Times:
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s ratings in the latest New York Times/CBS News poll suggest that unlike her Democratic rivals, her favorability ratings worsen as voters’ income and education levels increase. The poll also found that Mrs. Clinton was far better known than her opponents, but more than half of those who had an opinion of her had a negative one.
Over all, 42 percent of registered voters have an unfavorable view of Mrs. Clinton, 38 percent have a favorable opinion, and 21 percent do not yet have an opinion. That negative rating is far higher than it is for Senator Barack Obama (21 percent unfavorable) or former Senator John Edwards (28 percent). Indeed, Mrs. Clinton’s negative rating is close to the worst ever measured for her (46 percent) since The Times/CBS News poll began asking about her in 1992.
How many people....Republicans, independents, even Democrats....have you encountered who say they would never vote for Hillary under any circumstances? How many people have you met who say the Clintons represent the politics of partisanship and division? How many people have expressed the sentiment that they don't want Bill Clinton back in the White House with too much time on his hands?
Unless you only hang out at Hillary political rallies, the answer is probably, "Quite a few."
I will vote for Hillary if she is the Democratic nominee, but I have serious questions about her electability.