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Tuesday, February 5, 2008 12:00 AM

The race for California

Clinton and Obama battle for a mother lode of delegates -- in a state with a nonwhite Latino, Asian, black majority. Who has figured out the electoral math?

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Tuesday, February 5, 2008 11:15 AM

And Good Point From Someone

About Obama claiming the new Kennedy Camelot. The Kennedy machine was every bit as win at all costs as the Clintons.

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 11:20 AM

W.E.S I like Hillary too

And I know you are frustrated and anxious. But Obama is very unlikely to take the #2 spot. My biggest concern is that Hillary is a voter-suppression machine for young democrats. My second biggest is that she polls next-to-nothing with independents.

The unreconstructed liberal battle cries are great -- but they won't win in November.

Good Luck at your caucuses.

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 11:23 AM

@Notorious W.E.S

Obsess much?

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 11:27 AM

Anonymous

I post. You read. That's an order.

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 11:30 AM

I really wonder

if it will matter much who is the Democratic nominee. I've studied the 2004 electoral college map, and I think that Obama and Clinton will carry every state that Kerry/Edwards carried in 2004. He/she need only carry Ohio or Florida (both lost to voter intimidation, voter fraud, and voter suppression) to win. Does anyone honestly believe that CA or HI or NY or MD or ANY of the blue states will go for a repub in 2008?

The keys are FL and OH. By all means, vote today (or next week) for your guy or gal. But if you really want to win, send money and labor to FL and OH. That's where the battle will be won (or stolen).

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 11:45 AM

CA Delegate selection process head spinner

Even if Obama wins the popular vote in Ca. Hillary has more congress people endorsing her and they make up the super delegates here.

This is how it works.

441 delegates (221 females, 220 males)

62 Alternatives (31 females, 31 males)

503 Total (252 females, 2511 males)

Any registered Democrat can apply to be delegate in their district. Dealine is April 2, 2008.

2008 affirmative action goals.

Hispaic /Latinoes 26%

African America 16%

Asian/Pacific Islander 9%

Native American 1%

YOuth (under 30) 10%

Blank- I guess that is white 12% ?

born after 829.78 or later 10%

66-SUPER DELEGATES: Automatic delegates to the convention. 33 Democratic National Committee (DNC)members; 32 Congressional members; I former DNC chair; 36 Democrats in congress plus (Boxer and Feinstein) but four of our congressional members are on the DNC and are counted as DNC members.

241 DISTRICT LEVEL DELEGATES: Each of CA 53 congressional Districts (CDs) are allocated from 3-6 "district Level delegates" based upon population and presidential voting from 2000-2004 elections. Using the same criteria 40 of the 53 CDs allocate 1 alternative each. To become a districts level delegate you must be a registered Democrat, commit to a candidate and then be elected at your CD caucus held on April 13, 2008

81 AT LARGE(state wide) DELEGATES: Any registered Democrat who is committed to a candidate can apply to be an at-large delegate. At large delegates are confirmed May 18, 2008 at a statewide delegation meeting.

48 PLEDGED PARTY LEADERS AND ELECTED OFFICIAL (PLEO): A PLEO is a registered Democrat. No elected official or party leader is automatically a PLEO delegate. Individuals must file a form C and pledge to support a presidential candidate who received at least 15% or more of the vote statewide. PLEO delegates are confirmed by a vote of the 241 district-level delegates at the May 18, 2008 statewide meeting. PLEO Catagories (in order) big city mayors (population 250,00 or more) and stateside legislative leaders and state legislators; other state, county, and local elected offcial; Clifornia Democratic party leaders.

So you see even if OBAMA wins in CA, Hillary's entrenched DNC friends who owe the Clintons for their office can swing the delegate outcome.

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 11:48 AM

New York lawyer ' 7: 30 was spitting nails at me but has now disappeared.

He demanded a name. I gave him one. He wanted to know the crime. To the best of my knowledge, it was supplying cocaine. I don't know how long Keith spent in prison but any New York lawyer worth his salt could find out. Be daring, New York lawyer. Maybe some back issues of The Chicago Tribune would help or you could contact Karl. Sure as anything, he knows it all and that's why he's looking so smug. His new job with one of the networks is great but you can be sure he's got something else up his sleeve.

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 11:50 AM

Praise Jehovah

For Super Delegates

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 12:03 PM

dear lord, will you please stop headlining articles about race??

I *know* that race is important in this election, but geez, do you need to headline multiple articles about racial dynamics and the democratic primary every single day?

How the World Works had a great article the other day about Obama's economic advisor...evidently he's got some interesting hybrid free-market ideas. I want to hear more about this stuff...it's really tough for me to find complete coverage of the issues anywhere in the MSM, and Obama & Hillary's voting records are very similar in Congress. How am I going to decide who to vote for in my state's primary next week(I'm still undecided)? You guys aren't helping me.

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 12:06 PM

@moira kelly

You are exactly right. It will come down to Florida and Ohio again. I believe that the key is to increase voter turn out for the democrats, woo independents and moderate republicans while not doing anything that will give the GOP something that it needs - a wedge issue to turn out their base en masse.

In 2004 that wedge issue was gay marriage and Rove was able to turn that into a win that we have all been suffering for ever since.

However, yes, I think it does matter who the nominee is because Obama appeals to that collection of democratic base + independents + moderate republicans in a way that Hillary does not and never will.

Hillary may win the nomination due to some chicanery with Michigan, Florida and the Super Delegates however this will only dampen those democratic voters who are already on the fence about her and completely reaffirm what the independents and moderate republicans think about her.

And so goes Ohio and Florida and so goes the presidency. Because, contrary to popular belief this election is not a lay down for the democrats. I urge everyone to remember how confident we are were in 2004. I mean did we really think the country wanted 4 more years of incompetent lying boobery? Kerry was a freakin' war hero for crying out loud!

But yet, here we are 4 years later and apparently none the wiser.

Tuesday, February 5, 2008 12:09 PM

California's color may be Green, not Brown

Nancy Pelosi was booed in San Francisco, Gavin Newson only won his office when the Democratic Party poured a ton of money, late into his campaign. His advocacy for gay marriage was an issue he borroweed from the Green Party candidate he ran against. California is not San Francisco, and the outlying areas are downright conservative. Jerry Brown as mayor of Oakland, ran a get tough on street crime policy, which took him to State Attorney General. He is probably the more prototypical California Democrat, though no mention is made of his position, or his endorsements.

California has been adding more voters who are registered independents. Democrats have a special antipathy toward the Green Party, which is officially a Progressive party. It may be that a number of likely Green voters will vote in the Democratic primary. Republicans reacted to same problem by excluding independents this time.

Latino's tend to have a poor turnout, especially in primaries with no overriding issues. The real issue could be the war in Iraq, and dissatisfaction with their Democratic Congressional representatives.

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